Shifted Crapma Eq

The answer is you are powerful enough shifted…spend your drachma on eq you need to stay alive when your not shifted.

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Why should I pay 500 Drachma to buy shield of the rose +1 ma regen when I already have 140ma regen?[/quote:dgx5fumq]

Yes you’re quite right - that’s way too much mana regen already.

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I think what hes trying to say is that Ars Magica should NOT be shiftable, so he can spend his drachma on a shiftable stone token.

Yeah thats it :)

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Not to take the non-druid side, but what stats would really be useful on shiftable drach eq?

As you pointed out, regen isn’t really worth it for shifting. None of the “special” stats work in form (weapondam, stabdam, spell/healbonus, etc.), although I’m not sure about dam reduc. AC is pointless since you can make -12 with ingame stuff, or with only one piece if you’re a 4xcaster.

Shifting chars are in the enviable position of being pretty much fine with no eq at all (within reason, I’m generalising of course). Seems to make it hard to make eq for them that isn’t either useless or overpowered.

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Heh, but all the same, thanks for being the first to be logical in your opinion.

[quote:2ll0kqv1]AC is pointless since you can make -12 with ingame stuff, [b:2ll0kqv1]or with only one piece if you’re a 4xcaster. [/b:2ll0kqv1][/quote:2ll0kqv1]

Do you know something I don’t know? I wear a twisted thorn, shifted tiger fur cloak with crest, dolphin skin boots, shifted -0.5ac robe and thick leather belt to make my -1.1ac. Are you suggesting I can get the -1 AC shifting one item? :shock: Have I missed something totally obvious? :oops:

Your kind of right about regen and kind of wrong. Regen eq is useless to us sleeping because we have tons… however regen shifted while we are running is [b:2ll0kqv1]extremely valuable[/b:2ll0kqv1]… (BUT!! not at the expense of our -1ac shifted bonus!) For example… I am 4-5 points away from maintaining tarantula form outdoors…

So! That shield of the rose and boots of the forest walker… are useful when we are shifted… just expensive crap when we are not… I could sleep for an extra 1.54322 seconds to make up for there loss! :twisted:

I will have a full blown argument with some of your other points… but I’m in a state of shock about your quote… and if your claim is how I understand it, it changes what I think are our drachma eq requirements lots… If I didn’t wear thick leather belt and shift cloak with crest for str… which I need to get 25/100, I could currently be wearing +3 mana regen in these slots. I hope your statement is correct. Please respond.

Sorry, I meant one piece of drachma eq. Since there are no ingame .8 necks without nc restricts. That was some poor phrasing now I re-read it :)

Although now I think about it, that only applies to piasa, where you have to give up one neck slot to the avian scale. Unless you do the thing with removing the scale after shifting, but I’m reluctant to include that in eq considerations since it could get fixed sometime.

I do tend to undervalue shiftable regen gear since my usual engagement time in form is far too short for it to make more than a trivial difference. But that would be a lot different if you kill a lot of thick mobs that can’t hit.

Also, I’m all for new drachma eq for all classos, I just can’t see much eq that would actually be worthwhile for a shifting char. Perhaps dam or dam reduc.

I’m still confused… :cry:

How does one shift neck eq to do this -1ac thing? Because the neck crests are in fact + (PLUS) 0.5 ac and they are the only way I know off to shift neck eq. So the maximum ac gained in using them is -0.3ac on a -0.8ac guards.

Also I don’t see any -0.8ac drachma neck eq on the eq list. If there is some, I’d like to know about it and it’s restrictions.

Okay, I mean all the normal shift ac eq plus one piece of drachma eq, a .8 neck.

If I’m not loosing my mind, to get -1 on piasa you need:

-0.1 boots

-0.1 belt

-0.5 robe

-0.8 neck with crest for -0.3 total

Since there are no .8 necks ingame that don’t need a nc class (unless something has been added recently), you need drachma. As for exactly what eq it is, I’m not the right person to provide a definitive answer since I can just wear darksteals. But as far as I know it’s the icy shoulder guards from Adante. Maybe Stryx or some other 4xcaster druid who’s actually run into this could confirm/correct?

Stryx kindly showed me what he wears in his eq modes, in none of them he wears -0.8ac necks, as far as I know there are none, ingame or in questshop 4 x casters can wear…

So… here is what I place emphasis on as a shifter… in order…

1. -1 AC Bonus

2. 25/100 Str

3. Shifted Mana Regen

4. Healbonus on Shifted Eq (For when I shift return, heal self and reshift)

5. Shifted +Mana

So those drachma robes are useless… as they automatically negate our primary objective of reaching the -1 ac bonus.

The stone token gives us +5 max mana for the value of 797 drachma over Ars Magica… UNBELIEVABLY extremely bad value.

The shield (500 Drachma) seems a little expensive for +1 mana in 60 seconds… admittedly it’s not totally useless, it’s just extremely bad value.

The ingame boots give us -0.1 ac which the drachma ones don’t which can make all the difference in keeping the -1ac bonus. Once again not totally useless, it’s just extremely bad value.

SO DRACHMA EQ = CERTIFIABLE CRAP for Shifters.

Now there are no shiftable arm, on body eq’s for druid. There is a drachma shield, shiftable legs somewhere in Mystica, shiftable light as avatar… all other slots are coverd by eq.

Why not make drachma eq for these slots? Especially if I’m wearing silly stuff shifted such as rings, boots and belts… there is no justifable reason for not having eq in these slots.

Secondly getting 25/100 is not an easy task, and it would be nice if some druid drachma shift gear had +1 strength.

Thirdly getting -1ac shift bonus ties up slots where we could be wearing mana regen items instead. Why not a couple of pieces in the right place with -0.1 or -0.2 ac. We are talking about allowing a druid to add 2 or 3 points to shifted forms only by doing this.

Fourthly give us a shiftable -0.4 or -0.5 robe for prime druids, this way we can hand back our maple leaf brooches and get something useful.

Fifth, small perm spells on shifted eq is nice because we can’t recast them when they drop and we are shifted!

Sixth, shifted heal bonus is nice. When we attack big mobs and shift return, we heal up and reshift, and this makes a shift heal bonus useful.

I haven’t even asked for a damage point! All I want is to be able to buy something of value with my drachma… I haven’t asked to be over powered I’ve asked for things that give me only options of juggling my current eq around!

Stick this in ya pipes and smoke it, all ya non-shifters! :twisted:

Out of curiosity, what does Stryx wear to get the full -1 in piasa gear?

I can only see how to get -.9 without some kind of .8 neckwear, so I guess I’m missing some piece of eq, maybe prime.

Would seem he wears,

1. maple leaf brooch on a -0.5

2. twisted thorn necklace -0.2

3. thick leather belt -0.1

4. my guess is he substitutes his green avian scale with another twisted thorn necklace once he has shifted.

Nods, seems to be the only way.

After looking around, I can’t find any .8 drach neckwear without nc restricts, was sure there was something.

There is. Imm(s) will add a shift-flag to avatar light. And if it has ac to it…

Oh right, I always forget you can get ac on tard lights.

[quote:1f2eok7e]Fifth, small perm spells on shifted eq is nice because we can’t recast them when they drop and we are shifted! [/quote:1f2eok7e]

:shock: I’ll take Perma Aegis, Perma Wraithform, Perma Greater Fluidity, and just for takes I’ll take Perma Improved Haste too :)

[quote:10fyzg4c]Fifth, small perm spells on shifted eq is nice because we can’t recast them when they drop and we are shifted! [/quote:10fyzg4c]

:shock: I’ll take Perma Aegis, Perma Wraithform, Perma Greater Fluidity, and just for takes I’ll take Perma Improved Haste too :)[/quote:10fyzg4c]

More thinking darksight, detects, infra, but hey, if that’s on the cards… ;)

How sad that you can’t currently run at max ac with maximized regen and damage. Welcome to the real world of sloth. As a shifter you’ve had it easy. Want -11ac, get iron skin and an item to let ya shift and WHAM! Ya got it. XP and one item must be a rough life. If only their was drachma eq to fill up every hole and make it easy, ya that’s what we need. Instead of tanks having to waste a tard lite with .4ac and a 3x40 item for a big axe, lets make some prime weapon with 5d5 dice and .4ac on it, we are tanks after all we should have it!

While i applaud your passion and enthusiasm you need a little dose of reality. It took approximately 13 years for the powers that be to even put in a regen item for the shield slot and you dismiss it as crap. There are plenty of classes who have it rough/rougher in the drachma eq department than druids. Just shift back into a tree and please stand their quietly.

I must be grumpy this morning cause this almost seems mean. Don’t take it as such, i’m just having a bit of fun.

Icy guards are listed on eq list as 3x40 or MWa,MMo when in fact they are 3x40 and MWa or 3x40 and MMo.

You could maybe bribe someone out of their red-gold guards.

Best of luck in your shifting endeavors.

I also play a shifter, a weak one, but still I know where your coming from.

And let me say its way more fun for me to play a shifter than my warrior or thief and probably very close in terms of my necro.

Angry or not, your 100% correct Strider.

Shops need an overhaul for many classos. Id love some Cleric options besides a robe. Ive mostly spent drachma on spelldam items.

Are you seriously bitching about druids? OMG OMG

Let’s talk about the Bard eq in the drachma shops, now thats a joke. There is a reason Minstrel does not have one single piece of it but he does have the shield of the rose…

Chuckle!

Hey… I NEVER said we don’t have it good with our current availability of in game eq, in fact I made the point it’s better than the crapma! I merely pointed out that [b:2jmkdazw]shifters only have 5 items to spend our drachma on and they are all crap.[/b:2jmkdazw]

See I thought drachma was supposed to be this hard fought for currency system with great prizes… but it ain’t!

Improving the existing items, or buy back at full price is a great way to make it fair to the players who brought this crap simply because there was nothing better to buy.

And Medios, yeah your right, I found only one charisma piece on the eq list… so maybe instead of all fighting each other, we should join together!

WE WANT SOMETHING ELSE! WE WANT SOMETHING ELSE! :twisted:

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Oh it’s good to see the Mc Hagertys, the Mc DoWls and the Mc Gaidins come together to protest this injustice! We shall feast after our triumph! :twisted:

I enjoy my shield of the rose :)

Stop your whining - make another character if you don’t like the one you made already.

giggle :P

Funny you mention making a new char, I’d probably make a bard next for fun, they are even worse off, heh.

Thief primes have heaps of drachma eq available - lots of clasps too, and for double slots too (like ring claps)… gee I wonder why that is…

Not to mention they’re arguably the best prime class in the game anyway.

Would love to see all the other classes have even close to an equivalent amount of options available.

I agree with Strider. Suck it up and stop whining. Aww..you can’t get -12 shifted easily..i feel so sorry for you, considering no other class other than warrior prime SHOULD be able to get -12 as intended, hence heavy armor proficiency. Awww…25/100 is something you wish was easier to achieve…even though it is not achievable by any other class. No other class can have so many attacks with so much damage with so little effort for eq and stats, which would be minimal effort for the eq and no effort for stats…easy ass forges like band of ether for regen…and those terrifying highlands mobs that pop twisted thorn necklace and clasp oh my…you really have to work hard toward ac. Ever thought that maybe you were limited BECAUSE YOU WERE POWERFUL ENOUGH ALREADY? Most shifters have a nightmare stopping mob regen to accompany their good number of 25/100 strength attacks… and some can even berserk to take a hit in ac and do ridiculous damage or let gods of war carry over for a good while before ending while in battle. You don’t have to roll stats to affect your primary fight style and minimal eq is required. Suck it up and take regen eq or take eq for a secondary fight style…if there’s nothing available for you, deal with it. Maybe the imms should reduce the shift ac and actually make you work for things like -11 through drachma in form…just the way mages with warrior in classo spend their drachma for -11 in max spellbonus. Maybe, since you’re overpowered and still complaining, nerfs are the only way for them to give you the sufficient amount of drachma eq you’d like.

-Ezekiel

I agree with most of what Eze has to say. However Druids do not hit the hardest. They may be able to get 7 attacks with haste, but I will put Dogs or a good Warriors damage up against piasa all day.

shrug…was awfully funny..i remember some of the wa types having to double and triple team rynquald shifted when they had that deathmatch on different port before…can’t rember who it was…don’t know if any were DoW.

At one point piasa would probably have outdone the damage of most warrior type chars. But these days I’d probably bet on the (well made) warrior, buying weapondam helps a lot, or handdam for the monk route.

Also, no offence to jezer, but getting 25/100 str without sacrificing anything is ridiculously easy. I already wear enough eq to have 26/100 (if it was possible), and off the top of my head I can think of how to get 28/100 without loosing -12.

To semi-paraphrase Zeke, and I think restate something I said earlier, can’t be bothered looking though: It’s almost impossible to give druids better shift eq without entering overpower territory, shift forms come with most of the things that you have to work hard for eq to get for a non-shifting char.

To be completely honest, I’ve been expecting to see shifting nerfed in some way for a long time. Probably not actually to make it weaker, but to make it harder to gain the full capability. And that’s from the viewpoint of someone who has build a char around shifting.

Shrug my Piasa, chopped down Sa without using any other attacks aside from Melee and sa’s capped Weapondam beyond other warriors that I know of…

Well yeah, my piasa eats Sa too :twisted:

Ah yes, more rants from people who wished they had avatar druids… whine whine whine… I’m crunchy rar rar rar. You got it good… wish I was like you… boo hoo hoo.

Your right! Now shut up! :twisted:

Getting back to my point… which coincidently was NOT about the following…

BARD SHORTAGE OF DRACHMA EQ

AVATAR DRUID SHIFT FORMS BEING AWESOME

MAKING NEW CHARACTERS

DRUID OVER-POWEREDNESS

My point was we have 5 crap items in the elite eq shop, and why the heck should we bother doing quests for crap rewards. That’s the only flaming point I made, and look at all you bitter and twisted people.

Yes…we’re all so jealous of you, we have nothing to complain about because we actually know how to maximize our chars with or without most drachma eq…there was a time the weaver store didn’t exist and quest eq was only given from imm run quests and weeklies. Mobs were harder and often took many more people to kill and people were killing them fine with no drachma eq and no complaining. Wake up…you’re a newb the more you complain because you obviously can’t utilize your character correctly.

-Ezekiel

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3attack +riposte vs 2k+ hps 6attack piasa… wait till i get my 2k hps! yinao, rynquald :))

I’ve been out of town so i’m sorry this is a little slow.

Really Weasel, really. Thieves have the best assortment of drachma eq?

There is one good item in shop for thieves, one average item and the rest are crap. Razors are the only thing that you can justify buying. And even those are scetchy for the price. 2200 drachma for an extra 18 dmg to your stabs. Pretty big price. the clasps you spoke of are a joke. as is the dagger which is at an outrageous price. i bet more non thieves have the cloak than thieves did that’s how much it rocks. the gauntlets of mastery are pretty decent for the price but most will keep the +hit from other gaunts. and that’s about it. Thieves don’t get the longest shaft, but we are far from being the best equipped from the shop.

Back to druids. Jezer it’s easy to sit there and dismiss everyone else and claim injustice. But you really haven’t been around long enough to see the whole picture and only have your biased view as a druid. You don’t even have a Tard druid yet, course you’re still to newb to realize “Tard” means lvl 40 avatar. I’m sure you play your shifted druid well but there is a lot more to take into consideration when you start throwin out demands for new eq. Just sit back and let the powers that be do what they do. they’ve been doin a pretty damn good job at it for the past 15+ years. ya ask once to get your opinion out there, they see it, you keep pestering and pretty soon bad things happen man. bad things.

There looked to be a pretty good assortment to me anyway Strider, which is why I now have a couple of Thief prime newbie characters. :) Those razors are pretty expensive though, as you said, but nice. What I like too is that there seems to be so many options to chose from for Thief drachma eq, even if, as you said, much of it is just average. Clasps are always going to be good imho no matter how minimal you might consider them, because you don’t have to sacrifice existing eq to wear them. Major bonus imho.

I’m [b:1eif4hat]nearly[/b:1eif4hat] at the end of my drachma campaign. I’ve bought the shield of the rose, and I’m 30dr away from boots of the forest walker. I also have a few of the bigger quests near completed which will see me being able to get the final 3rd piece, cloak of the tainted rose.

So now that the journey is not to far from finished… I’d have to say doing the quests would have been some of the [b:1eif4hat]best fun[/b:1eif4hat] I’ve ever had on sloth. I still reckon drachma eq should be a little more elite than it is… for example even though my regen has increased… my max mana while in regen has actually dropped to wear these regen pieces. But anyways, I guess I’m stuck with wearing the same crap as everyone else. :) Any drachma I get in the future will probably be spent on max mana pieces.

I reckon it would be cool to see some sort of dynamic questing in the game that you could redo, even if it’s only occasionally for drachma, I liked relocating everywhere and the thrill and the hunting aspects a lot. Maybe the weaver could give a random shopping list of in game items, or predefined lists for certain rewards.

Far more fun that boring low pop eq forges and mindless xp… which I start next :) I’ll be interested in iolite/infernite/demon mage cp’s if people have any to sell… but figure I’m dreaming, and I don’t mind to much working to get them myself as with all my other gear.