Pthieves - What's the story?

Ok, so I’m P.O.’d cause a L40 thief swiped my stuff and sold it. Laughing at self But hey, I killed mobs for those mage stones and it makes me mad.

But, maybe I don’t understand how Pthievery is supposed to work on Sloth. Maybe I have no right to be mad. I mean if it is part of the game and I just should have played better, then it is my tough luck. But I’m not sure I had a chance to play better against someone with more then twice my levels.

If I’m wrong, I’d like to know that. On the other hand, if it is dirty dealing abuse of fellow players, maybe it’s time to form a posse and go hang a pthieves. I’m up for it.

The pthief I ran into, Poolp, didn’t deny the theft, so guilt is not the question. His response was, he was teaching me a lesson for sleeping in an usafe area. Well, I was guilty of that.

On the other Poolp was stealing from me and others in an exp group. I slept when and where my group leader told me too. I see it as being part of the team. Is Poolp teaching me not to do this? If he is teaching us not to group or not to follow your group leader? Shouldn’t he be robbing the group leader to teach him how to lead better? He not only robbed me but a raiser who saving a dead player.

Also, when a level 40 robs a level 20, it isn’t a real sporting event. Perhaps a pthief show have some guidlines, rob those capable to fighting back. Hmmm let me remind you all of the “form a posse and hanging thieves” idea.

Truthfully, Poolp and other Pthieves aren’t trying to teach us anything. They are leeches on us just like the corrupt in the real world. And just like in the real world they will take from the weaker folk until they are stopped.

Let me know if you’d like to help me form a posse. Or if you think I am out of line. Sloth can be nice neighborhood to play in. And vengenance can be sweet.

yes pthieves are annoying. yes it’s perfectly legal (read the rules). sporting? not particularly.

the ’lesson’ is more along the lines of “never have anything but recalls and food/drinks in inv” than “don’t sleep where your leader tells you” - stuff that’s worn, or in worn containers, is safe from thievery.

The moral is all over the place… He shouldn’t have done it, but it will probably make you a better player. Along the lines of what Alberich said, don’t have [i:1v1oduu7]anything[/i:1v1oduu7] in inventory that’s not completely replaceable. You’ll notice that most of the higher level folks have scripts to mem:

wake;rest;remove robe;take bag robe;take all bag;mem a x3;mem b x3;put all.ioun bag;put bag robe;wear robe;sleep

Clients help tremendously. Since you ultimately have the ability to keep anything from being stolen, it doesn’t fall on your leader. The leader primarily has the responsibility of making sure you’re not attacked while you sleep, though they will often pick the safest place possible to do that.

Agrees with Alberich and 12345

In the long run pkilling ptheives who have multiple characters doesn’t help remove them from the game unless they are pkilled by the whole mud every time they log on until they rent, so imho it’s worth killing them, we just have to be dedicated.

I don’t think that forming a posse (got to love that word) to kill him will do any good though, he’ll just rent until it stops, and none of his chars are probably more than solo kills anyway.

But I must say that he did at least once try to rob from someone that was capable of fighting back (me, in Rynquald form, he tried to steal from me with Jormungandr) but after what happened to him when he attempted that, I can see why he was reluctant to try it on someone that could make a one hit kill on him again :twisted:

Anyway, here is a list of all the chars he plays that I know of for anyone that wants to avoid/pkill them:

Jormungandr

Diablotwo

Lenin

Poolp

Stalin?

Mussolini?

(I was told about the last two, didn’t personally witness it)

I seriously doubt that he doesn’t have other characters as well, so it would probably be a good idea for everyone to keep on their toes until this guy gets board.

Rynquald.

Add Derro to list. I’m pretty sure it’s the same person.

Thanks for the feedback and the good advice. I never knew that pthieves only had access to eq that was not worn or in a worn container.

I do think it is worth killing Pthieves.

They benefit from successful theft. A five second theft cost me the results of an hour or three’s successful play. But I enjoyed the play and that can’t be taken.

For the Pthief, it’s only fair that they reap the negative affects of being a thief as well as the benefits. Identified Pthieves should be killed, (or at least bli, cursed, web’d) on sight. If only to keep the rats from multiplying.

Thanks all.

I’m sure he’s also on of Dia-poo’s char’s.. One trick he uses is to steal on bh and then use the post office to ship item to Val for Lenin to sell. Saw him steal, suspected he created Stalin to sell the 2 recalls for shipping charges and as they say rinse,repeat.

Oh, and he sucks.

Any chance we can make juju charm’s clasp-able.. having a pthief steal your charm and losing juju blows.. not as bad a Dia-poo but close.

I don’t think it’s fair that he only gets boarded for one account. I mean, doesn’t he basically have immunity then? And I don’t think players should be unboarded immediately after a kill… there isn’t much to stop them from stealing naked and creating new characters to abuse it :(

Is that you Victor? :( Sorry that happened to you, and you too Zing, if you were in my group :(

Sorries!

Once a player is identified as a pthief, you can kill them any time you like, along with any other characters they play as far as I know, as long as you can prove they are associated and immorts can confirm it via logs and/or IP if disputed. You can also pkill anyone aiding a pthief - it’s guilt by association. Aiding would be something like a player knowingly holding or stashing the looted eq and helping the pthief transfer it to another ’non’-pthief char.

Word of warning here too, if you buy a char that used to be a pthief, you can still be killed for it - you may be a different owner, but the char is still a known pthief - caveat emptor.

Oh, and he sucks.[/quote:2y0f8bjv]

When you are boarded, I understand you can not rent, place items in containers, etc. Why not add the ability to ship to this list? Granted P-thieves have always dropped eq in places for other characters of thiers to pick up later. Since ship has been added, a path has been given to allow getting rid of the eq immediately.

I may be wrong on this, it may already have been coded that way. Since I have never been, nor plan to be boarded, I must leave the testing of this up to the Imm’s.

Madmax

Well… We all know about pthiefing, about its legality and about killing known pthiefs… BUT! Why do we forget apout panishing for newbie harrasment? I think that accident is a really good reason to use that rule and to keep in mind that Sloth III is a newbie-friendly mud!

Let’s listen to immortals. :roll:

Sloth is not a pkill mud, as such it shouldn’t be a pthievery mud.

My suggestions would be to either:

Make Sloth a full pkill and pthief mud let me know and I’ll go play elsewhere

Change the rules that allow pthievery

Love and Peace,

Daisy

Pthieving has been allowed since sloth started, so good luck trying to get immorts to change the rules.

I think what you people (only those who are complaining) need to do is to stop whining for changes and deal with it. As a player long ago I’ve never had any problem with pthieves because I was cautious and careful enough to take care of my items and the rest of you should be able to as well.

Besides, I’m providing entertainment to some people out there who love hunting pthieves, so let’s just cherish this beautiful relationship while we still have it and I’ll leave in a few days when I’m done selling this character.

Have a good day.

Pthieves distinguish the real players from the folks who are just along for the ride in my opinion. I know a lot of folks who like hunt them for ‘sport’. Once you discover who a pthief’s main character is, that character is fair game for

killing and looting, and sometimes that is extremely profitable :) With a regular pth around you get a second chance to learn a lesson you should already know, don’t use your inventory as a dumpster. Keep it neat and clean, it’s good for your peace of mind as well as your changeout scripts. How hard is it to keep your memstones and shuggoth keychain in your robe or hell, even a bag in your inventory. At least in a bag it wont show up as some fancy glowing forged shit. Thieves will steal bags, but not as often because you never know what’s in there unless you stalk your victim a couple days beforehand.

Actually pthieves almost never steal from bags, because if its too heavy for their character to carry in inv, its a 100% chance of failure and 100% chance that you’ll get boarded.

You’re Aaron, if I’m not mistaken?

You should know that, you were one of the greatest pthieves back when I way playing as a proper char. (considering you are Aaron)

Sloth is not a pkill mud, as such it shouldn’t be a pthievery mud.

…

Love and Peace,

Daisy[/quote:1ahla7sy]

I agree.

Yeah like I said it’s a lot safer if you keep it in a container, that way it’s not glaring and begging to be ripped off in inventory. The str thing is relatively new I believe, maybe 4 yrs old ? I miss the good old days :)

You have to admire his honesty…

We all know Aaron is a pthief. Lets PKILL HIM AND LOOT HIM GOOD!!!

I glance at all of you alot. dad always said look but don’t touch. and i would have to agree that many players are getting reckless with the items in inventory. a good case of thieving should help with most of this. not to claim the high ground, i had my 2.robe snatched just yesterday. But at least it was just my 2.robe, although i want that pair of dice back bad. before this current unknown pthief i think Gets was top dog, and took Bird for some big items, hell Gets even stole my brand new vault key once (that really makes you angry). But just keeping your chin up and putting items in your worn robe will save you from most problems. maybe you’ll hammer the pthiefs feet some day soon.

:evil: brand

Nods, common sense plays a big part, but when you’re in a group and stopping for regen halfway through a run, or running to raise someone and when you get to there you get pthieved while changing into your raise eq, it’s pretty rough. It doesn’t do anything to improve gameplay or make it more challenging in those situations imho, it’s just a nuisance, and certainly having to recall and/or run to a safe area just to get changed is detrimental to enjoying gameplay.

Comparitively, it seems there really isn’t all that much to deter people from becoming a pthief. It’s just part of the game I guess, just not a good part. The occasional pthief who does it maliciously (ie: steal robe, junk robe) really sucks the most - at least the pthieves that ransom stolen objects are doing it for a reason rather than just to be a complete asswipe and ruin someone’s game.

btw, are rope rooms no-steal? If not, they should be.

Shipping doesn’t work when you’re boarded, just found out the hard way :)

2x Woven strands of silk webbing 2M min

2x Oak leaf cluster 111k current price

Crystal ring 250k min

Bloodstained zweihander 3M min

In the chopping block, more to come! Bid away!

btw, are rope rooms no-steal? If not, they should be.[/quote:3txo6xhe]

What about a spell that will detect (or increase detection) thieveries attempt either done by players or mobs ?

Argeos

One pthief I can deal with, keep your stuff safe etc. as people have pointed out, but to blatently multiplay and then to openly sell the loot in game and on the block is not behaviour that should be allowed.

Last time I logged on it clearly said –YOU MAY NOT HAVE TWO CHARACTERS ON AT THE SAME TIME NO MATTER WHAT—

yet this char was even boasing about doing it on gossip.

Why is he being allowed to get away with this? I was in BH shopping and every time I went to a different shop one of his many charactors turned up and looked at my inv.

I will not be buying looted stuff on the block and I will not be logging on to play while any of his charactors is logged on. He is spoiling the game for me, and the sooner he is dealt with the better. And I make no apology for whining Krok, some of us obey the rules!

If we were really multiplaying the immorts would have wiped us long ago, they don’t need you to point it out to them.

Last time I logged on it clearly said –YOU MAY NOT HAVE TWO CHARACTERS ON AT THE SAME TIME NO MATTER WHAT—

yet this char was even boasing about doing it on gossip.

Why is he being allowed to get away with this? I was in BH shopping and every time I went to a different shop one of his many charactors turned up and looked at my inv.

I agree in almost every respect, except that I won’t be chased away by such immature and selfish behaviour.

I know they justify their behaviour by saying they’re teaching us to play better … what a crock of poop, they do it because they can and they like winding people up. Just be honest and admit that you’re not doing it out any love or good feeling for those of us who would actually like to play the game rather than break it.

If they arn’t multiplaying, if they really are separate people playing (and not just the same person on different pcs in the same computer lab), why don’t we hear a straight denial? Why do they encourage that impression? Why to they pander to the people they’ve wound up by stealing from their inventories by pretending to multiplay?

If they’re not multiplaying then they’re just as guilty in my mind for spoiling the game with this kind of wind up merchantry.

As for Krok … if you don’t want to listen to people complaining when they’ve a perfect right to, or gossiping on the gossip channel then switch it off and stop being an apologist for pthieves and multiplayers.

Lots of Love,

Daisy

I guess everyone has forgotten there’s actually a way to see if they’re the same player or not. As a lowly mortal who only has access to what was leaked I can tell you that there is no record of these two logging on from the same or similar IPs. At least as of about a year ago, however, even at that time they both had the same levels they do now… so I’m pretty sure they’re realy different people.

if you’re going to buy stuff from poolp on the chopping block … stuff he’s stolen from other players … whats to say he won’t either:

not deliver once he’s got the money
steal it straight back from you

If I were you I wouldn’t buy from him, but if you do get the equipment before you pay, then run like hell from him and his myriad of multicharacters.

Lots of Love,

Daisy

If you like I could (with admin cooperation) show you how to successfully multiplay undetectably … its not difficult for the moderately knowledable

Lots of Love,

Daisy

It’s very easy, but that’s not the point. I doubt either of the suspected that a list of all the IPs that everyone plays from would be leaked a year ago. Derro blatantly plays all of his MANY pthieves from similar addresses, logging them on and off to jump around the continents as needed. Poolp appears to have only 1 pthief, and it’s never been on the same IP as any of Derro’s mults.

To be honest, I’m kinda hoping that Poolp plays from a school, because I know some of the other chars that play on the same IPs he does…

but that’s not the point. [/quote:163tw2iz]

I’m sorry what exactly is the point?

He’s admitted multiplaying.

He could technically be multiplaying.

He hasn’t when asked to given a straight denial.

If he was multiplaying it may not be detectable by IP or other tech methods.

Multiplaying is against the law.

Just because you don’t suspect him, dosen’t mean we shouldn’t given that we have an admission of guilt.

Lots of Love,

Daisy

Actually I did share a home connection with a couple of people about 5 years ago, and I believe Clink and Splork have checked ‘us’ for multiplaying and well, we obviously passed the test and nothing has happened.

As of now, all I can say is I pity the people who dare accuse me of multiplaying with no proof, no right and obviously who do not get the sarcasm when I gossip silly things about multiplaying. Why don’t you let the immorts do their own investigation and stop whining about it so much? I’ve even heard some dude gossip that immorts were stupid for allowing pthievery.

Look, why I pthief is none of anyone’s business. If you hate it, keep your items safe. If you like hunting pthieves, do it. Is there that much to get pissed off about and be all dramatic about it, ESPECIALLY if I didn’t touch any of your items? Is playing smart too much of a chore in this game?

And another thing, the person who created DontBuyFromPthief I think is abusing his rights as a member of the forum because he’s sabotaging auctions on purpose and I wish for the immorts to do something about it. Of course I realize where I stand and I wouldn’t mind if nothing happens.

Good day.

what is so hard about ‘if he was multiplaying he’d be wiped’?

saying he was to wind up impressionable newbs is kind of amusing, it’s not an admission of guilt.

I’m sorry but saying:

‘Yes I am multiplaying’

by any definition this is an admission.

He may have been joking, trying wind up newbies, being sarcastic or whatever, that dosen’t take away from the admission, he hasn’t retracted the admission, and in fact he seems to be refusing to preferring the ‘if I was the admins would do something about it line’

I am not trying to encourage the admins to do anything, nor have I suggested they do, nor have I complained about them in any way shape or form, in fact I don’t think I’ve even commented on my views of the admins who (and this is an opinion of them) keep one of the best muds around working.

I’m sure the admins know what they’re doing, and do it well.

This dosen’t take away from the reasonableness of players who dislike rule breakers, commenting on other players who freely admit to breaking rules, or even of rules or behaviour they dislike.

I’m sorry what exactly is the point?[/quote:13m8b1fu]

Sigh. I kind of think you’re the point. Pthieves do things to get folks wound up. You’re wound up, congrats, he succeeded, you let him.

He’s a thief. He can’t steal ANYTHING you don’t put in inventory. Take all your fancy stuff and put it in a robe. Go to the general store and buy a cheap canteen, a bag, some rations and a few recalls. Visit the bank and deposit some extra coins. Change gear in safe rooms in town whenever possible. You’ve just neutered his ability to affect your life in any meaningful way.

As far as transactions… the shipping system works great for chopping block transactions. It garentees that you’ll get your stuff and you can even arrange to be on different continents from him when you recieve the stuff… so ranting about a bogus trade is fairly childish. Not that anyone should buy from him, but we already know that.

Settle down already.

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sign (see I can sound world weary too)

Thanks for the pictures … they’re lovely

Don’t take it personaly Daisy. Thats just Aa showing his love for u :)

Dear Daisy,

I really appreciate your point, but…

OMFG! You are playing for a month and whining already. What is my point - you’ve chosen that game, which ACCEPTS pthieves. So deal with it and stop this useless discussion, because no one is going to change the rules because you want it so. And hell no, those guys are not multiplaying, don’t be a little kid who believes everything once told on the gossip.

And if you are going to tell me to switch gossip off - you’ll have another reason to be whining - ah ah, no one is helping newbies to get their corpses.

Whiners, please shut up, nothing will change.

WTS GOLDEN SACK 100k min send tells to Derro/Jormungandr ingame :)

who’s getting wound up now?

It’s funny that Daisy is doing a better job trolling than the trolls are… :lol:

At least I’m keeping it out of the game and not spoiling other players enjoyment like ….. scroll down the thread for the rest of this post.

:P big hugs and kisses to you all

A shortened but very brief session with Poolp….

You are in Bal Harbor town. Also in this area are:

Victor The Inn

Poolp The Inn

Zarius The Scribe’s Shop

l Poolp

glance Poolp

cast ‘web’ Poolp

No one by that name here.

cast ‘web’ Poolp x10-12 times

Poolp is emeshed in thick webs!

cast ‘web’ Poolp

Poolp says ‘you realize’

cast ‘web’ Poolp

Poolp says ’nevermind’

Poolp squirms to free himself.

The webs tighten about Poolp.

cast ‘web’ Poolp

Poolp squirms to free himself. x2

Poolp breaks free of the webs.

cast ‘web’ Poolp

Poolp is emeshed in thick webs.

Poolp struggles weakly within the pile of sticky webs.

Poolp squirms to free himself.

Poolp breaks free of the webs.

cast ‘web’ poolp

Poolp is emeshed in thick webs.

Poolp squirms to free himself. x2

Poolp breaks free of the webs.

cast ‘web’ Poolp

Poolp is emeshed in thick webs.

Poolp looks at you.

You snicker softly.

You punch him Right in the face! Yuck, the BLOOD!

You cackle gleefully.

You say ‘good day’

rent

Your right Poolp… no need to whine… best off making Poo triggers.

We need to bring back Web Lag!!!

Web his ass and PUSH Him /50 times!!!!

There’s a higher chance I’d break out of those pitiful lvl 23 (I think) webs if you pushed me out :P

Good day.[/quote:3307seb4]

This is not something I have the time or energy to police. If someone wants to spoil auctions, there is little I am going to do about it. As dear as the functionality is to me, I’m not going to spend my time to police it. If this became pervasive to the point where all auctions are affected, I would likely take action against the individual(s) abusing it the login/forum loophole.

As it is, it seems that it is being fairly (not farely) abused, if there is such a thing, within the context of the game. An unintentional, though foreseen, consequence of the Chopping Block made it easier to trade in stolen goods, so I’m OK with players responding by making it more difficult.

I think I love you Clink!!!

Hi!

I;m a newbie who likes to cry a lot because I’m an ineffectual turd

and LAZY to boot, just like every other newbie in my ‘generation’

with the exception of Ken and Rynquald! PREASE MAKEY NO-STEAL

ITEM FOR MI FOR I R FAR TOO LAZY TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHO IS

IN THE ROOM WHEN I CHANGE OUT MY ROOT AMULETS FOR MY

GOLD CHAINS AND GREENISH RINGS. I R SKEERED O PTHF.

We all know 13 holds a special place in his heart for pthieves :)

I’m waiting for the part where they get a clasp and then start whining because it costs drachma.

hug ^^^

I’m fairly new here and found this thread facinating, personally I see nothing wrong with pstealing, under help steal it makes it clear this is allowed, therefore end of discussion.

Thats not however what I found so fascinating, its more that those opposed to pstealing have managed to construct rational arguments to back up thier case (respect to Daisy btw), which for the most part have not been answered. Those in favour of pstealing instead of debating rationally have from the off resorted to insults and accusations of whining and merely stating the unfounded opinion that those opposed are all newbies and therefore their views don’t count, for gods sake you’re in the right, you don’t need to do that, nor demean yourselves in that way nor make yourselves look as stupid and childish as you have done.

Morally this stance has lost you every battle in this post, you only win the war because the rules happen to be on your side.

God bless trolling,

We don’t bother to answer because their posts are childish. Trying to change what is allowed in a GAME is pointless, imho.

It’s just that it’s so easy to avoid being stolen from. I’m serious dude, there is no debate necessary IMHO, because it’s a non-factor. What I really am irritated about is the way the people who dislike it complain constantly for the most part. It’s the tone and frequency of the comments, not their basic whining nature that bothers me.

Preach it AA ill pass the collection plate….

I do truly understand why people are upset but i mean Really yall…..aa is right…..type where occassionally pthiefs can only be in as effective as their Prey is ineffective….it is all correlative….

Daisy i do truly respect your opinion….but to police peoples intentions sounds a lot like the job of G W’s peeps

Talo/Ulrich

[quote:mk3ql8gy]sounds a lot like the job of G W’s peeps[/quote:mk3ql8gy]

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[quote:104k7n61]I;m a newbie who likes to cry a lot because I’m an ineffectual turd

and LAZY to boot, just like every other newbie in my ‘generation’

with the exception of Ken and Rynquald![/quote:104k7n61]

Thank you for the exclusion :)

Multi playing …

Stalin arrives from the south.

<366hp 57ma 113mv>

Stalin recites a damp moldy scroll.

You are covered in sticky webs!

where

You are in Newbatia. Also in this area are:

Name - Location

Jormungandr - The South Gate of Newbatia

If ur webbed and just QUIT! shouldn’t all ur eq get dropped?

Or is this consider multi playing, cause he Jor isn’t renting and getting

another newbie to web other ppl?

If thats the case, we can all Quit keep our eq on us, and steal steal steal

switch drop and sign on as another char. Hum…. sounds better then

mudding these days.

<34200rm 41wz 0sv>

Jormungandr is in excellent condition.

a celestial bracelet..It emits a faint humming sound!

You attempt to peek at the inventory:

a sable gimlet..It emits a faint humming sound!

Jormungandr is in excellent condition.

You attempt to peek at the inventory:

a damp moldy scroll

<34200rm 41wz 0sv>

Jormungandr is multiplaying cause he has all this eq when he log in game. Cute.

He can’t use a gimlet … he has 4 webbing scrolls.

Tell me how that all works?

Unless he is very fast, quits sign in as his newbie webs others. THEN sign

in as his Jor and get all and wait for his webs to dispel????

Young Sir William – “Waah Waah Waah, Waaaaaaaahhh”

What the hell Will?

You telling me after all this time playing sloth you cant handle a pthief?

I mean dont gimme the im playin a newb deal cuz i know the business. Dont be cryin on here dude.

Mike

Maybe he is not multiplaying or doing anything strictly against the rules but he is disrupting the game. He’s probably sitting there laughing at how he can get away with it without anyone doing anything. We play this game to have fun and he’s spoiling the fun for a lot of people. This isn’t whining, this is stating the fact that the game we know and love is being ruined , I believe, by one person out to do just that.

This is your game IMMS and you can do want you want with it but dont be surprised if the numbers drop if you let this go on much longer.

I think by allowing pthievery the immorts have succesfully removed the whiners from the game and that is just what they need, something to get rid of people who can’t handle the game. And from what you said, that’s good because you’re giving pthieves even more incentive to screw your mudlife up. Hurrah!

We don’t bother to answer because their posts are childish. Trying to change what is allowed in a GAME is pointless, imho.[/quote:24tyo9j0]

Remember that every time (?) that IMMS are implementing some changes…..“some” people are … voicing their opinion !

I see no problem about newcomers finding out about “pthieves” and voicing what they think about that.

A good answer to them is to tell them how they can protect themselves against such players. I’m guessing it`s part of the “newbie” forum.

Argeos

I must admit that while Derro/Jorm’s antics can get tiring at times, he does at least offer to sell back said item to person robbed. He managed to grab someone’s sword of valor and offered to sell it back instead of junking it. Thankfully, someone was able to kill him 1st saving coins for the person robbed. Point being, I’ve seen alot worse that Derro and if nothing else it should be noted to admit that he has won. No-one and I do mean no-one should have any items worthwhile unequipped ever. If you do, plan on having them stolen. Don’t waste your time in peace rooms thinking you’re safe cause your’e not. If something bad happens, it’s not that you deserved it, it’s just you failed to realize that Derro can and probably will steal said item from you in one of his characters.Learn from others being robbed and take notice.

That being said, how the hell does he manage to stay on the wanted board for such a short amount of time? A few days ago,I stole some scrolls back from him that he stole 1st and I was boarded well into the 3 hour block..had to have someone kill me so I could rent . And on top of that, the next day, I still get put in jail by the guard….

:?:

This still?

yep, this still. at least the pthieves create some amusment as opposed to all these newbies that take things too damn seriously.

and seshi - of course he’s sitting at home laughing at you, that’s the point, so are the rest of us :)

Young Sir William – “Waah Waah Waah, Waaaaaaaahhh”

What the hell Will?

You telling me after all this time playing sloth you cant handle a pthief?

I mean dont gimme the im playin a newb deal cuz i know the business. Dont be cryin on here dude.

Mike[/quote:j3cnphog]

Mikey,

Not as so much as whining the hell out of everyone. I’m trying to understand

how he is getting away with it all. I asked yesterday night, how and what

he is doing that is different from just “renting” or “quiting”. I mean did u

know if u “quit” u still keep all ur eq that you have equiped??? I don’t

think even u knew this. Because from what Isbo said, u still keep all worn

eq when u “quit”. Which is something I never knew for 6yrs of mudding.

why is that the very few, and it does seem to me to be a very vocal minority, that try and defend pstealing seem to think they’re in the majority?

From what I’ve seen pthieves are a nuisance minority, those supporting or defending them also very few. Is there any way we can start a poll?

They seem to feel they are in the right, and that any debate or discussion constitutes whining by a newbie minority.

I’ll acknowledge that pstealing is allowed under current sloth rules.

I’ll also acknowledge that the rules are unlikely to change any time soon.

This dosen’t mean I like the rule or agree with it, but it does not also mean that I don’t have a right to air my views on a public discussion board.

If you don’t like what I or the others who dislike pthievery are saying then say so and tell us why, don’t resort to accusations of newbism or whining. Its an opinion I’ll hold now, and when I’m a veteran, its an opinion I can and have backed up with reason, that is not a definition of whining I recognise.

Further, when someone gossips ‘***** the pthief is on’ this isn’t whining (as someone got accused of recently) this is giving players a fair warning that someone wants to spoil their game and they should be careful.

I’ll acknowledge that pstealing is allowed under current sloth rules.

I’ll also acknowledge that the rules are unlikely to change any time soon.[/quote:12u4lvih]

Well.. that’s pretty much my whole argument. Thanks for saying it for me.

Here are your choices given the above:

a) Keep your inventory clean. Make smart choices about where and when you change equipment. Accept that thieves exist and plan accordingly. Laugh at their inability to affect your life in any way now that you’ve taken proper precaution. Wait for the thief to get bored and go away.

b) Give the pthief all the attention they’re looking for by making as big a deal of it as humanly possible. Further motivate them to continue their activities by giving them that attention. Resist the need for precautions, making the pthief more effective. Call for players to state how much they dislike pthieves… giving them even more motivation to continue… dispite the fact that nothing is likely the change.

I think you’ve made the wrong choice.

[quote:28fi07a5]Not as so much as whining the hell out of everyone. I’m trying to understand

how he is getting away with it all. I asked yesterday night, how and what

he is doing that is different from just “renting” or “quiting”. I mean did u

know if u “quit” u still keep all ur eq that you have equiped??? I don’t

think even u knew this. Because from what Isbo said, u still keep all worn

eq when u “quit”. Which is something I never knew for 6yrs of mudding.[/quote:28fi07a5]

Actually i never said that. All i said (over and over and over) and all im still saying is to sit down, breath, relax and check Jorm look, even pasted it here for you.

Unfortunately Daisy, a well reasoned arguement with data to back it up automatically makes you the worst kind of whiner on slothmud. I have no idea why this mentality exists here, because it completely defies common sense or logic, but that is how it is - I know first hand. Basically, if you have two opposing opinions, party #1 having all the empirical data in the world and a rock-solid arguement, while party #2 has absolutely no evidence to back up their opinion whatsoever, and their idea of a fair discussion consists of name-calling, insults and calling the other party a bunch a whiners who can’t hack ‘it’, then guess what? Party #2 will win every time here.

It’s very frustrating, and I can understand your point, but it is highly likely you’ll get nowhere with it except to end up holding a resentment, which really is going to be to sloth’s detriment in the long run as you will be just one more person playing here who is now unwilling to help with the development of the mud, but hey, nobody gives a toss. Your suggestions, ideas and input are discouraged here, as ridiculous as that may sound.. - really it’s a case of either accepting things as they are, or leaving. If I didn’t have a better set of moral values, I’d be tempted to turn all my characters into pthieves and go loose just out of retaliation for some of the obtuse thinking I encounter here.. fortunately I’m not inclined to make innocent people suffer in order to vent my frustrations.

:wink:

Daisy wrote:

why is that the very few, and it does seem to me to be a very vocal minority, that try and defend pstealing seem to think they’re in the majority?

From what I’ve seen pthieves are a nuisance minority, those supporting or defending them also very few. Is there any way we can start a poll? [/color:12qkgn9u]

Seems based on the current results of your poll only 22% of people support wiping pthieves or changing the rules. If the trend stays that way and we have the “imperical data” showing that most people don’t agree with you and you are in the minority, will you give it up the? Or will you still insist that the majority agrees with you in spite of your poll results?

I was kinda curious where Daisy’s well reasoned argument or data were… but Weasel seemed to think she had them, so I didn’t say anything :)

heh.. reasoned arguements anyway.. somehow I don’t think anybody would deny that having your eq stolen sucks.. unless of course you’re the pthief :) How does having your eq stolen improve gameplay?

Actually I shouldn’t get involved, it’s pointless, so waves :wink:

How does having your eq stolen improve gameplay? [/quote:jym6xlif]

It doesn’t at all. However, neither does dying, rent, gravity, drowning, aggro mobs, eating, drinking, sleeping, regening or a number of other things. But they exist, so we deal with them :)

yeah, gravity sucks. :wink:

NP, being a pthief victim can be a good lesson for players (don’t leave eq in inventory), but pthieving someone when they’re changing eq to do a raise, or in a group changing into regen eq.. that’s when it’s detrimental to gameplay. I’m glad one of the older pthief tricks in particular haven’t been used in recent times - nowhere is safe from some of them heh..

Along the same lines, Poolp seems to pthief to teach people a lesson, and he/she seems to offer the eq back for sale which is in some ways a redeeming characteristic, other pthiefs I’m not so sure of though..

Que sera, sera.

I must say I find the current spate of pthieving, mainly one person witha whole string of known pthieves, logging on, off, on off etc, extremely annoying.

I do think some things like quitting and logging on another pthief to web someone is getting close to multiplaying. If you look at the rule that says you can’t mort a mob, rent and bring a newbie on to kill it beacuse it is using one char to benefit another, the same could be said for using one pthief char to log on web someone when your other can’t.

On the other hand I have’t seen any of the really spectacular pthieving I have seen in the past, which seem to take people a lot more patience, and sometimes we never found out who did it. This kind of full-frontal blunt run around the web with countless mid range thiefs and steal from newbies is a bit tasteless (if thieving can have class in any way).

Having said all that, I’m tired of all the whining to change the rules.

How does having your eq stolen improve gameplay? [/quote:6wp9cp0u]

It doesn’t at all. However, neither does dying, rent, gravity, drowning, aggro mobs, eating, drinking, sleeping, regening or a number of other things. But they exist, so we deal with them :)[/quote:6wp9cp0u]

I would say all of these things add to gameplay - that’s why they’re there.

How does having your eq stolen improve gameplay? [/quote:37dnykje]

Pthieving sucks. It doesn’t make my life interesting, it can’t annoy me. What really makes me crazy is sucky pop-rate. ‘How does having weeks wasted to pop one single cp improve gameplay?’ Let’s change the world.

:twisted:

Vixn, The Laziest Always-JokA Whiner

… but it is highly likely you’ll get nowhere with it except to end up holding a resentment, which really is going to be to sloth’s detriment in the long run as you will be just one more person playing here who is now unwilling to help with the development of the mud, but hey, nobody gives a toss. Your suggestions, ideas and input are discouraged here, as ridiculous as that may sound…[/quote:2t9fwo7c]

Good point well made … I’m not discouraged nor about to leave … but I can see that obtuse as it sounds your logic appears to run true.

For me this is the end of the road on this topic, if I find another hobby horse I’ll think about another way to ride it.

[quote:2t9fwo7c] If the trend stays that way and we have the “imperical data” showing that most people don’t agree with you and you are in the minority, will you give it up the? Or will you still insist that the majority agrees with you in spite of your poll results?[/quote:2t9fwo7c]

Firstly its empirical, if you want to use big words learn to spell them first.

Secondly the whole reason for the poll wasn’t to demonstrate support, it was to determine what the support was, (currently 25% for 25% strongly against 50% just dislike it … so either you’re in the minority or we both are depending on how you read it :) ), and no I won’t disregard the results, what gives you the impression that I would? Will you? 75% of results show dislike of pstealing or want rules changed to disallow it, then again I wonder what % of players dislike dying …

anyway as this is my last post on this subject, I’ll just say its been fun.

Daisy wrote

“Firstly its empirical, if you want to use big words learn to spell them first.”

I always find these kinds of replies so childish. Someone is typing a message in their free 2 minutes between meetings and fat-fingers a word, so some like dork always has to go “Oh you spelled it wrong, tee-hee-hee.”

If you want to get picky about grammar, it is “it’s” not “its”, so why don’t you learn to spell the little words before getting childish about the big words.

The poll at the moment shows that 60% of people are willing to live with pthieving with no changes. That is not quite a two thirds majority, but it is a simple majority. Unlike you this will be my last post :)

[url:34mgqals]http://slothmud.org/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=9029#9029[/url:34mgqals]

Since everybody loves reading this post so much.. Anyway I’m having plenty of smiles just watching all of you argue and complain, carry on please :)

Grue, you are giving Daisy WAY too much credit. Her arguments from the start have been very silly…

Sloth is not a pkill mud, as such it shouldn’t be a pthievery mud. [/quote:5yxmnuqn]

Where exactly is the logic in that? Or perhaps there’s some logic in the several rants where she states that Poolp and Derro MUST be multiplaying because they said they are. That’s great logic and data. I’m the President of the United States. There, I said it… it MUST be true. Please start sending me your taxes.

The smartest thing she did was put up a poll, which doesn’t give obvious support to either side.

The facts of the matter are very simple. Everything a pthief does is designed to get under your skin. They will emote anything under the sun, they will gossip anything they want. But in the end, it is too easy to thwart a pthief.

I’m beginning to see the attraction in ptheft :) if it gets this much attention it becomes a whole new game of its own … I think Daisy and others here have converted me :)

(Respect to Poolp btw for using this thread to advertise his stolen eq)

However lets be fair to her:

Implying that your thinking is obtuse and should be disregarded because you mispelled something …[/quote:27aigpcj]

Yes pulling someone up on spelling here is more than silly, to my mind she’s looking frustrated (take that any way you want), but I didn’t read her post as saying anyones thinking was obtuse because of thier spelling … that seemed to be a stand alone trollish statement.

… I’m pretty sure I can make a poll that shows 75% of us dislike our alarm clocks. That doesn’t mean we should make them illegal. Personally, I find my alarm clock more troubling than most thieves.[/quote:27aigpcj]

I think she was trying to make the point in her own post that the poll results could be read in a number of ways, so you’re agreeing with her really …

As for the rest, she’s said she won’t post on this thread again, but I’m sure she’ll read it, how could she not after so many posts? So how do we react?

she’s a sitting duck, lets attack her, she can’t reply, and if she does we can slate her for that

breath a sign of relief, agree to disagree and forget all about her

(actually the first sounds like more fun … lets do it :) )

Troll Troll Troll Troll

Ok, I didn’t interpret my statements as such, but I acquiesce. The percieved offensive statements have been removed from my post. I think the point still stands though.

As for the rest, she’s said she won’t post on this thread again, but I’m sure she’ll read it, how could she not after so many posts? So how do we react? [/quote:3qizloeq]

I just realized that I hadn’t responded to this, so I’ll make a quick comment on it. When a child stomps out of the room and slams the door, it doesn’t make them any more right or more righteous, they just think they are.

My intent isn’t to troll her, but I’m only human. I’ll apologize on that account.

this is quite amusing. we all say that responding to a pthief just accomplishes his goal of getting attention and of course feeds the fire and encourages the behavior, playing right into his hands and giving him exactly what he wants, but has anyone considered that they are giving the exact same power to daisy and we are giving her exactly what she wants? kudos daisy - well played. you got your fifteen seconds of fame. now it’s time to say good night, bow, and exit stage left .

one thing is that i don’t like is that if the thief is boarded my alignment shouldn’t go from spread good and joy to tainted heart, when i kill him.

That is a good point. I will perhaps fix that sometime.

hehe thanks would be nice :)

heh.. would be amusing if Poolp & co. started targeting all those who are pro-pthieving here. :lol:

but then who would dispel them and fence their shit ?

heh.. would be amusing if Poolp & co. started targeting all those who are pro-pthieving here. :lol:[/quote:a0dycyrm]

I’m not exactly pro-pthief, but I did actually sit in the inn with Derro for a while. I had a whole inventory full of eq that he couldn’t steal, because I was in the inn.

He’s very good with emotes. He emoted several times that he left the game and hid himself so people would think he was gone. He emotes glances and theft attempts. It’s all an attempt to catch you unaware. Either to find out what you’re protective of, or trick you into walking into the open. Or get you to attack him when he’s not boarded. All of it’s pretty useless if your inventory is clean and you bank your spare coins.

He also asked me to mort some impossible mobs for him, goat trolls and demo and such. Not long after he brought on a newbie that sat at the idol and begged for food, water and coins to rent… and to mort some impossible mobs for him.

Just so you have an idea of some of the tricks he uses :)

but then who would dispel them and fence their shit ?[/quote:8xloowde]

Nobody. We get ourselves killed by our trustworthy friend the Sash Lieutenant, quit!, get back in before the corpse gets looted, take everything (this normally works nowadays, surprisingly - since most of the people on this MUD can’t hunt pthieves if their lives depended on it), and get out of the MUD for 15 seconds and just as we do, someone new with a nice inventory comes in.

Hehe. Well that’s cool, feel free to come after me if you want, I’m a good sport..usually. Goat trolls are super-mortable actually. That’s one of the

best places to mort for people. I’ll mort the men and women and the trolls

and Luhhan and Sedai normally.

Goat trolls are super-mortable actually. That’s one of the best places to mort for people.[/quote:2larj9tc]

I’ll try to remember that. I thought they were painful splork types. I didnt’ think my tank would fare well against them.

Ur tank wouldn’t, but u can stab stab and maybe a wind to mort them.

I forgot, but I was able to mort 4 out of 6 of something.

So much misinformation in this thread…

[quote:3rltdo5v]He also asked me to mort some impossible mobs for him, goat trolls and demo and such. [/quote:3rltdo5v]

First of all, this was meant to be a joke. I never asked for morts from anyone and if I did, I was joking. Second of all, goat faced trolls aren’t impossible mobs. Third, your response to my request was something similar to “I would if I could kill them. Splork mobs aren’t exactly my thing”. Sounds like a lot like assistance of known pthief, pkillable offense :D

[quote:3rltdo5v]Not long after he brought on a newbie that sat at the idol and begged for food, water and coins to rent… and to mort some impossible mobs for him.[/quote:3rltdo5v]

This wasn’t me. Besides, what would this trick accomplish? This guy (Kurmysh was the name as far as i remember) asked me for coins and I would’ve helped but I was in SS at the time. He never asked me to mort mobs for him.

Whatever you’re trying to do/paint me as, 12345, it’s borderline idiocy.

-Your Friendly Neighbourhood Pthief

P.S. And just to clarify, Poolp isn’t me. My characters are Derro, Jormungandr, plus all those listed in the second or third post of this thread minus Poolp.

Best regards,

Derro

Hurrah, I’m special again! And after 10 messages from Brad about how I ruin the MUD, how can I not thank God for being so kind? :)

wow 101 posts on this topic?!?

well… 102 now

“I would if I could kill them. Splork mobs aren’t exactly my thing”. Sounds like a lot like assistance of known pthief, pkillable offense :D[/quote:2mq1qigm]

Not a bad memory, but you are off by a word. ‘Wonder’ and ‘would’ are two fairly different things. My tank isn’t exactly a quick kill kinda guy, goat trolls would be painful. And you did ask me to mort demo for you, which is a pretty tough solo. :twisted:

The newbie wasn’t you? Ok. You’re still very good with emotes. You hop continents quite a bit, and have a decent sense of humor… if a bit carnal.

Basically, you’re good enough with emotes that it’s difficult to tell if you’ve left the room, stayed, rented, glanced, stolen or any of a variety of things without looking directly at you. I don’t think you’ve found a cure for carrying everything in a robe yet though, save for the quick snatch while changing gear outside a safe room.

Either way… it was fun watching you drooling.

[quote:28v8lf3a]after 10 messages from Brad about how I ruin the MUD,[/quote:28v8lf3a]

MELTDOWN!!

I didn’t play for a month or two, and when I started again P-thieving seemed to have increased 100 fold. So in the spirit of adding to gameplay, lets even the playing field a bit. Those who pthieve should have a bad reputation in game, not just on the posts. Innkeepers and other safe zone mobs should chase pthieves away after they steal for like 5 ticks or something. That way pthieves have to have more skill than steal and rent. The pthieves can try to survive for a few ticks. It should spice things up a bit.

Or how about you just stfu? :)

list as requested.. doesn’t include a few more recent ones on this list.

Albatross

Anguish

Anxiety

Badabing

Barbarella

Beeyork

Blixx

Bolle

Braxus

Briar

Brother

Bylle

Calibar

Captain

Daemonic

Derro

Diablo

Direktor

Drogan

Eeelzer

Fatloser

Fernando

Fetus

Flake

Gargoyle

Gets

Gradient

Grandview

Griff

Grolsh

Has

Hellmaster

Holds

Jormungandr

Lackey

Liebe

Liesure

Life

Loyal

Manta

Mason

Mislik

Monkey

Negativ

Paroxysm

Poofer

Poolp

Porkchop

Pthieffff

Sanc

Siezure

Snape

Sorrow

Spasm

Stupidity

Topper

Tritri

Web

Werm

Xenophe

Xuihtecutli

add more as needed

I’m afraid to say that, but Cat is Zam/Shake’s char. Actually, I don’t wanna believe this, but… but… Weasel, do you have any proofs which will support your position?

This all doesn’t seem realistic to me, but we all know Zammie’s nasty character…

yup - it was thanks to whatever ex-immort published that IP list a while back..

note: char ownership may have changed since, or if a pthief and a regular player log on from the same IP (like a school computer lab maybe) then that might be why.. although if Zam’s character ‘Zam’ was running on the same IP as a pthief, he’d be on that list too…

I saw a few discrepancies in the list myself. I wouldn’t count on it as rock-solid.

It may have helped if he made separate lists. Derro has a number of characers, Poolp used to share a connection with real players and Briar was sold to a real player at some point. So yes, there’s good potential for bystanders to be sucked into the list through poximity.

Ok, my irony wasn’t appreciated.

Dear Weasel, there is a cool command - last player.

Cat’s last logon was Mon Oct 17 14:17:01 2005

[10o 1d 1m 1c] Cat is , very , fluffy

help steal

Level: Thief 1, Bard 10

don’t tell he will shift in ferret etc..

btw, there was mass pwipe of newbies like a half a year ago, that’s why names were free. It would rock if you check your info before posting it.

Lots of love,

Dear Krok

Here’s some really cool information in return for your ’last player’ advise: a pthief may actually have another char that is not a pthief char, believe it or not.

These chars are associated by IP, not classo, as I said - I’ve advised where this list came from, so take it as you will. It doesn’t mean kill all these people on site, it means be wary, particularly if they are selling equipment which may well be stolen by their pthief char and transferred over.

Once again: there was a pwipe of lilttle chars. Zam made char with same name. He owns it now. And it doesn’t mean he’s a pthief! :PPP

Zam is solid.

Probably, since his char ‘Zam’ did not appear on any of the same IPs as any known pthief characters, so I guess you can strike ‘Cat’ off the list.. in fact I’ll go and do that right now. :)

We won! :P

We cant pkill zam anymore? pout sniff cry :(

It doesn’t matter if he is a pthief or not, smite him! :)

i’ll have to take back what i said earlier about a dracma no steal clasp being lame.

i now think it would be cool.

provided the item would be impossible to steal and not an auto failure.

like:

steal robe Brand

gives:

Nope, Brand’s name is written all over that item.

postscript: whats the text capture like for a failed steal?

brand :twisted: :idea:

Arn’t drachma robes no steal right now?

I know most ppl use a +spell/heal/hp/mana robe these days.

First time you fail a steal:

Oops..

Watch out! You are now an outlaw!

Second time:

Oops..

Somebody fails trying to steal from you:

XXX tried to steal something from you!

So hard to change ip?

Imposible steal and never be borded even on fail?

Hard create new pthief char?

Pthiefs not allowed in game anymore?