pthiefs?

I can not prove anything and I may be wrong, BUT (!) look like the ring of harmony, which is in the chopping block (<LINK_TEXT text=“http://www.slothmud.org/index.php?modul … on&id=1520”>http://www.slothmud.org/index.php?module=pnAuction&func=display_auction&id=1520</LINK_TEXT>) was stolen by Poolp one day…

hm… interesting… Gondor is a seller… hm… interesting :)

hm… interesting… Gondor is a seller… hm… interesting :)[/quote:htpqwdpq]

Also when there was the big cf due to network lag and Enkidu’s group all died, Gondor logged off right before Blaze stole Enkidu’s boots off me (I had taken them off sash who looted). I know because when I was lying dead at wg I was spamming where and who to see who was gonna raise us.

Not making an accusation, just offering an observation.

I wonder if this ring is personal eq or is there new service ‘remove person flag’ available now? :P

I know Gondor well, on the mud as well as rl and he despises pthieves. He spoke of the ring he found in unclaimed at Post office. I would trust him w/ all my stuff. So that is my observation. hope this settles your mind.

Alias

Not unreasonable… Demi mailed me an oct token. I don’t want it and it will eventually become unclaimed as well.

Nods, laugh, I’ve been running w/ the same group of people since I started on this mud and gondor is one of em……so, man, I guess I’m not to be trusted either….. :twisted: lol

I can assure you that this ring was found in the unclaimed bin at the post office. It has been identified and it does not have a personal tag to it as you can see by the information posted from that identify. To be honest I am shocked and appalled for someone to think I could possibly be a pthief. I thank you ALias and Resouh for sticking up for me. I have had equipment stolen just like the rest of you and will join any fight against pthieves. But please the next time you have a beef with me find me ingame and ask. No need to make it a public debate and run my good name through the mud.

Gondor is not now nor has he ever been a pthief…He spends a good bit of time chasing them down and making their lives difficult, actually. The very idea is idiocy as well as more than a little offensive to people that know him both here and in real life.

Before you go pointing fingers and speaking things that you cannot prove and have no basis in any form of reality found in this realm, please do a little research first.

see? ptheifs DO disrupt the harmony of the mud.. :twisted:

nothing that I cannot prove was posted here:

the ring was stolen by Poolp or another ptheif… hm… that’s true.
this ring is in chopping block…
Gondor is selling it… not hard to prove too ;)

Did I say anything else?

As for the personal flag, a ring of harmony was one of those elite items that had no personal flag … unfortunately it was fixed.

knowing it’s definitely a pthieved item, and as far as I know it’s the only ring of harmony in existance at present, perhaps it could be returned to its rightful owner for a small reward? ..just a suggestion..

GNU! You think too much.

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I must chime in and add something here.

I know Gondor personally, and very well at that.. he is more trustworthy then i consider myself to be. Futhermore about this ring, as a matter of fact, he told me at a luncheon almost a month ago that he had found it and was thinking about selling it, which for i have no bard, so was not interested..

my main purpose in posting is, i understand that most of you seem to be out on a damn witch hunt at the moment because your favorite pthief whipping boy might be gone.. but i strongly suggest you do some research and character analyzation before jumping out with your dimwitted half-assed speculations. its one thing to call out on a well known player who can take a joke. rather then start out to string up low levels or new characters without positive information and facts.

I dont give a damn about how/what people think about me.. but for godsakes be mindful and cautious of your accusations on others.

thank you.

Damn it Auto,

STFU :evil:

Auto did it.

Hmm… Don’t believe them, they’re all in together.

I’ve had a few things stolen over my time on Sloth, for me ptheft mars the game and hands one disruptive player far too much power to disrupt the harmony of what is mostly a cooperative harmony amony the players, that said I knew ptheft was allowed when I started, I accepted that and will live with it.

What I do find particularly annoying though are 2 things:

That irreplaceable items, quest items and drachma items can be stolen and junked, this I feel is a disproportionate inconveinience for the ‘crime’ of being careless and leaving an item in inv even momentarily while e.g. nipping out of the inn to cast a ‘create food’ spell and back in.
That a level 40 pthief can pray on a level 10 newbie with no come back, and gives the newbie no realistic opportunity to get the items back.

… I know in the past week I’ve talked to one player in particular in the past week who had saved up drachma for weeks bought some oct token to try and roll some stats, only to have them stolen as he walked out of the dream weaver, perhaps not the best use of drachma, but his weeks of effort wiped out (as he saw irreplaceably) in a moment by a disruptive pthief made him give up on Sloth altogether.

I’m not sure much can be done about this, I’m almost certain nothing will be done, but it dosen’t mean this is right.

[i:2eowjdxb]..Disruption the harmony of Sloth..[/i:2eowjdxb]

As I can remember it was the reason of someone’s wipe. But pthieves.. Who said pthieves dusrupt the harmony? They just learn us.. learn us another way to get eq :P

P.S. Have you ever seen those tons of crap Auto usually offers in chopping block? :twisted:

Juggleblood,

As for the before mentioned affair where I was online then logged off just before blaze stole the boots. I was originally on VK with an alt character and saw the call for help to west gate. I logged on and proceeded to west gate to help raise those that had died. Rainlord was there already raising people and once everyone was raised I saw my services where not needed. I proceeded back to the inn and rented out then went back to VK with my alt character.

I went out of my way to help with a group CF and do what I could to help my fellow mudders and this is how I am thought of. Thanks alot.

Well, Gnu is only thinking about his ring, I guess it’s pretty obvious he wants it back. I think it would best for Gondor to give it back :)

The ring is on the chopping block and goes to the highest bidder. If the winner is not Gnu and they choose to make a deal with him then that is their choice. I have been sitting on this ring for nearly 2 months and seeing as how I dont have a bard that needs it I decided to put it on the block. Had I known it was gonna cause this much crap to be stirred up I would have just held onto it and created a bard character that could one day use it. Live and learn I guess. Probably best if I just sit on all the other stuff I have and will continue to claim from the post office.

P.S. Have you ever seen those tons of crap Auto usually offers in chopping block? :twisted:[/quote:63iq975y]

*snicker

[i:63iq975y][b:63iq975y]WTS corpse of Edd.. slightly used, faint stink, but full of noob eq. [/b:63iq975y][/i:63iq975y] :twisted:

btw i have always been an eq whore, sometimes feel like a pawn shop. not only do i pop lots, but i love to deal.. :twisted:

Ok, I’ll feel free to buy/re-sell your stolen eq then :D

coolies :twisted: …

oh nice, your in luck krokie, Edd had a magic missle spellbook in his corpse!

Shyla is the high bidder last I looked. She’d probably be more than understanding if it was removed from the block, and would quite likely try to work something out to return it to Gnu if it’s not.

There’s nothing wrong with getting something from the unclaimed bin or selling it. However, since you happen to know who it belongs to, you should probably try to work something out with the owner. He’ll likely be very grateful since he lost it and wasn’t able to get it back. Being on the good side of the Russians is never a bad thing in my experience.

On the other hand, if you sell it, he’ll likely get it back anyway and will just be that much more frustrated with you for the extra aggravation you caused him. I don’t think too many would blame him. Being on the bad side of the Russians is rarely a good thing in my experience.

I’d at least talk to Gnu. If he hasn’t got coins to your liking he almost certainly has something nice to trade. And it will save all of us a lot of drama :)

That a level 40 pthief can pray on a level 10 newbie with no come back, and gives the newbie no realistic opportunity to get the items back.[/quote:3czl9z47]

I would call this a legitimate complaint. It would seem easy enough to add a check that would disallow you from stealing from anyone with fewer total levels than you have. Or within 10…

I think this would help in the following ways:

Newbies would be safe from thieving, at least for a short while. Stealing from newbies is kinda cheap anyway.
Assuming the thief isn’t wearing any eq, it’s at least possible to try to get your gear back.
It puts things in perspective. If you somehow manage to get a 40 Avatar pthief… there’s really no one to steal from, and those you can should be able to deal with it.

And I suggest this for a few reasons. First, the game makes a huge show of getting votes to get more players. Lately though, the thieves are causing more drama than they’re worth and they both discouraging new players and driving existing players away. When they were only an occasional nuissance, it was one thing… now they’re getting kinda old.

Nods nods, we are good at making the personal hell for guys :)))

well maybe it is time to put player thieving on hold here at sloth.

our player numbers have been shrinking.

voting has all but stopped.

with all the changes that have happened in the last two years, blocking stealing from other players almost seems like a small change.

if it keeps just 3 or 4 people playing it’s worth it.

can always just toggle it back on later.

it’s almost too bad that when we get some of the better thieves i’ve seen in my time playing here that we don’t really have the player base to support them, but that’s the breaks.

as for the ring of harmony… you can count your blessings that Leaf doesn’t need it. Who knows how high the bidding would get then.

and a tip of the hat to the player who left the ring unclaimed instead of junking it.

brand :twisted: :?:

Yes. I now know who it belongs to. But that doesnt change the beginning point I made. If someone has a problem with me or something I am doing send me a message or find me ingame and ask me. No need to make it a public debate and run my name through the ringer. Had Gnu sent me a private message when I put this ring on the block or even within a couple of days I would have gladly made an attempt to return it to him for a small fee. However once he started this thread and made insinuations that I was a pthief is when I took personal offense and decided then the ring would stay on the block.

Next time make an attempt to message me. Its not hard. My ICQ number is even listed on “last player Gondor”. I am generally easy to get along with until I feel I have been wronged. Insinuating that one is a pthief does tend to make honest players feel wronged. So go ahead and flame away. Say or do whatever you feel you must do. My decision was made when this thread began and I will not dishonor my own resolve for anyone here.

[i:1ytn2rz3]I’m a cereal killer,

yes its true.

I’m a cereal killer,

I’m coming after you.

I’ve got an idea,

I’ve got a plan.

to poison your boxes,

of raisin bran… [/i:1ytn2rz3] :twisted:

Just like pimping my fellow ho’s it’s a rough life.. however to rebute 12345 and/or Brand (maybe the same since I never seen them at the same place at the same time) let me state for the most part that a certain unoffical brother/sisterhood of ptheives don’t steal out of malice. We usually only run about when the MUD is too quite/slow and want to liven up the enviroment. Mind you, if I see a flashy piece of equipment in someone’s inventory then I feel a need to lighten their load but I will sometimes just run around and poke at other lowbies such as myself just to ‘play a mini-game of hide-n-seek. I’ve as well as others of my like are known to even advise lowbies about what we could have stolen should we have wanted to steal said item. So to be fair, the pthief who is running around might not be the ‘bad guy’ that you think they are. We’re just bored.

btw– Got it! :twisted:

hmm.. knowingly receiving stolen goods used to equate to aiding a pthief on sloth, and hence you suffered the same fate as a pthief to some extent (constantly webbed and slept whenever you logged on, although not pkilled necessarily), but that was before ship was invented. Now I guess it’s almost impossible to know if the goods were stolen or not when they are obtained through claim.. unless of course the eq is a one-of-a-kind quest item and thus a known stolen item.

Not trying to point the finger btw Gondor so please don’t consider the above an accusation in any way, but this is basically without precedent so there is no established sloth ethic - just wondering what people think regarding claim and stolen eq and how it should be treated.

For example, I scored 2 glinting jade bracelets through claim recently, but there’s no way of knowing whether they were stolen or just unclaimed, so presumably in that situation it’s just good luck, but what about when the item is known to be a thieved item such as the case with this ring? NO doubt this would be a very rare occurance, but it’s happened.. so what do players think should be done in this situation? Just call it good luck and offer it to the highest bidder as is happening right now (if you don’t keep it for yourself)? or return it to the rightful owner and have expenses reimbursed plus maybe a little additional reward at the owner’s discretion? I know I’d be mighty pissed if someone auctioned off eq that they knew for a fact had been stolen from me…

It is fun chasing the occasional thief. And some of the recent thieves have actually been fairly cool. However, it no longer seems to be an occasional thing. Having a goofy uncle over is fun for a while, then you’d like him to leave. When thieving starts hurting the mud, I think it’s time to tone it down for a while. So, if you don’t mind, I will try to make it a little more difficult for you. :)

One of the my principals in sloth is not to deal with pthiefs, never buy items they sell and never pay for the items that were stolen from me… Well… everything was legal, nothing to blame Gondor for… he simply found the item… Only now I do understand how lucky I was several monthes ago, when dead and was not able to log in for few hours… fortunately no1 found the entire set of my eq, lying on the ground… I still remember the posts on this crier, when ppl were trying to find the owners of this or that item, that was found somewhere… Old happy days…

One more thing. Selling nice items, that were found in the Post Office Bin is not the only legal thing. You may also kill a mob, that looted someone else and keep the items for your own use or selling… That is also legal, as I know…

What else? I have already bought a new ring oh harmony, that is personal now.

And just keep in mind that gold is cold, good luck.

For the record, before beginning my first rant here, I would like to say that there is no doubt in my mind that Gondor is NOT Poolp. He has been in parties that have tracked down and killed him. I don’t have access to his IP addy, but I am 99.9% sure that he in not among the “sister/brotherhood” of thieves…..and I HAVE trusted him with my eq before.

Now…..nodnod….I completely agree with you Gnu!! As one of the newest players to Sloth, I think that someone as senior and wise as you should lead a new charge!! I say that in order to restore the “harmony of Sloth” that the following actions should be taken:

Pthieving should be disabled….and not just pthieving….I think that player corpses should not be allowed to be looted. The two or three hour period it takes for your corpse to rot should be punishment for dying….this would solve a lot.
Mobs should not be allowed to pick things up…..which will solve the issue of “thieving” by means of killing a mob that looted.
All eq should be personal and have a nice little flag on it, so players can return it to the rightful owner. This would also remove the need for a chopping block, auction channel, and post office keeping all of us safe from loopholes that crafty pthieves may find. Unfortunately that would mean that we would all have to actually pop our own spellbooks, but hey, wouldn’t you feel more secure?!?!?!
Remove the ability to pkill or cast spells on other players. This will remove the ability of high level avatars to pick on a character with lower level by harassing them into doing their bidding. (If you care enough about the item, buy it as a clan.) Oh and if you intend to make Gondor (accused pthief and on the level with pthieves due to practices of finding non-personal items and selling them) and his friends a target for your revenge….don’t bother with the webbing and sleeping…..Auto takes care of that on a regular basis anyway…..so won’t be anything new to me. :roll:
Torture should be legal….wait….that would be rl, my bad. :?
Have I missed anything?? Oh wait, nod….I think we should just make this a f#(*!~@ chat!! That would solve everything.

COME ON PEOPLE!!! Most of you have played with Gondor for quite some time….and can you blame him for standing his ground in this case? My opinion is that if it is not a personal item and there is no way of proving who it belongs to (not pointing fingers here, of course) why are you making such a big issue out of it?? Was that the only Ring of Harmony every made before it was made a personal item?? Maybe it is not yours Gnu…..and maybe you are a pthief!! I honestly don’t know who you are….and that leaves doubt in my mind! Are you Poolp and are just pissed because you forgot to claim that item before it went into unclaimed goods?? Well, until I have an immort email me and tell me otherwise, I’ll keep an eye on the person you might be.

I highly doubt that pthieves are the reason that newbs quit…and from experience, the newbs that are cycling now are bored avatars. Those few who are actual newbs either get hooked and play or bored and quit. Without players like Shaolin, Illic (in his newb alt), Alias, Gondor, and other friends, I might have gotten frustrated/bored and quit before leaving VK. I’m sure that Sloth is no different than any other indoors business and when the weather gets more pleasant, numbers drop. That’s the way of the world. shrug

PS. I don’t have a thief prime char….but I’ve spoken to one once or twice…so feel free to bring your who clan after me. :wink:

My opinion is that if it is not a personal item and there is no way of proving who it belongs to (not pointing fingers here, of course) why are you making such a big issue out of it?? Was that the only Ring of Harmony every made before it was made a personal item?? Maybe it is not yours Gnu…..and maybe you are a pthief!! [/quote:3a8ieh44]

Of course this ring is not main, after it was stolen, Poolp became its owner and it started to be Gondor’s after he bought it… Am I a pthief? Sure, why not… The only way to find it out is to pkill me and wait tiil imms will wipe you for illegal pkilling or not, since you were right…

BTW Gnu is an alt char of Pendalf if it tells you anything… and Pendalf is a prime bard, that is the most powerful pthiefing classo.

As for the proofs, just few points:

Ring of Harmony is a nice elite item that costs 250 drachma, as I remember and is bard restricted… not many newbs can affort it and will buy it before some other really cool elite items.
There are no many non-personal elite items in our days, that’s why thair value increases a lot… why? that’s easy to understand - you may trade it and give to other chars of yours and even sell… and only the person, who does not know a real value of that item can sell it for 1,5 mils…

So not hard to make a conclusion, that this ring does not belong to Gondor… Then how did he get it? I do not see any other ways but stealing or finding… And I have to repeat it once again, nothing illegal, go on…

Finally, I do not blame anyone, I do not whine… I just see who is who and make conclusions. And gold is still cold…

I do not doubt that gold is cold….but so is accusing others of pthieving in an environment that most hate pthieves and is the only reason for pkilling. Nor do I doubt that the Ring of Harmony is a very valuable item. However, your original post was an accusation against a fellow player that you should know is not a pthief. Then came the building of hate against others. My point is that this is getting outrageous and we will lose more players if this continues without putting someone in check or coming to some sort of agreement to disagree. A little drama makes life interesting….thus the pthieves being allowed to play on the edge of the rules….but there is no reason to tear each other down! If I had/was able to give you the 250 drachma to buy the ring for Shyla, I would, but unfortunately that is personal too.

My purpose for accusing you of being a pthief was to give you an idea of what it is like. I don’t pkill w/out [u:luwcfdl8]serious[/u:luwcfdl8] cause…and in fact, much to his distaste, I made one of my group members raise a pthief after another killed him (because the idea of that char back on vk was not a pleasant one). Recently, I had a pretty little “fashion statement” stolen by a pthief…which did piss me off….but I had it in inventory and knew it was a popular item to steal. I don’t like pthieving…but it adds another level to the game and another challenge. However, I do support the idea of disallowing high level thieves to take from our newbs.

As to how he came by it, he told everyone and he would have returned it had this thread not put him in the position he is in. My group of friends is honest and we do what we can for other players. However, in this situation, I would probably be doing exactly as he is. Now it is not about the gold…..

Ring of Harmony is trash, Gondor probably found it in a dumpster. Bards without 18 int… rubbish. I think pendalf got smart, threw ring in garbage and someone trying to steal his identity found the ring and shipped it to their cousin. Cousin forgot to claim it and Gondor (Who learned from Ironwolf) sits in the post office waiting for unclaimed goods to sell at the swap meet. Gondor knew that young sir william would be at the meet and the ring could fetch a nifty price. Now poor Gondor looks like Martha Stewart after a prison term. Webbed, slept, sore ass, all symptoms of swap meet bartering. I like these new days where everyone goes around personally attacking other players with no solid evidence of wrongdoing. I have really been waiting for it to happen to a clan member. Oh wait where did Fyrstenheart run off too?

Mike

LMAO Love it!! hugs

I just wanna know what the hell Auto was doing at a luncheon. I hope you raised you’re pinky, guzzler.

I have an icon!

Why you hating so much? You act like pthievery is the worst thing in the world. As for Fyrstenheart, I do miss him :twisted:

Can’t wait to see who wins the ring so I can heckle the piss outta them :evil:

Let’s make all eq personal… I was laughing my ass off till I saw that you were serious.. then I was puzzled…..silly people…

and no I am Poolp or not rather…or am I? :roll:

I just wanna know what the hell Auto was doing at a luncheon. I hope you raised you’re pinky, guzzler.[/quote:25xohp4g]

cackle.. not quite.. some of us still prefer to eat at a table with others.. unlike you brady, who would rather roll on over to the trough and bury your face in with the other leper heathens :twisted:

[quote:233je815]Let’s make all eq personal… I was laughing my ass off till I saw that you were serious.. then I was puzzled…..silly people…[/quote:233je815]

blink I was being serious?? heh….you don’t know me very well. :P

That a level 40 pthief can pray on a level 10 newbie with no come back, and gives the newbie no realistic opportunity to get the items back.[/quote:1heggg0a]

I would call this a legitimate complaint. It would seem easy enough to add a check that would disallow you from stealing from anyone with fewer total levels than you have. Or within 10…

I think this would help in the following ways:

Newbies would be safe from thieving, at least for a short while. Stealing from newbies is kinda cheap anyway.
Assuming the thief isn’t wearing any eq, it’s at least possible to try to get your gear back.
It puts things in perspective. If you somehow manage to get a 40 Avatar pthief… there’s really no one to steal from, and those you can should be able to deal with it.

It’s spelled prey, not pray.
There is a code that when you are a certain number of levels above a newbie, your chances of failing steal are very, very high. I remember failing a recall steal with nothing else in my inv about 11 times from a level 8 and that’s when I began to notice how the MUD has protected newbies against pthieving.
Do some bloody research before you make comments like that.
No comment so far on the rest of the topics discussed.
WTS JJD (I told you I have too many pthief chars, you’ll never stop me)

It’s amazing how many numbers you need to say that the mud protects newbies.

If you don’t want to stop, that’s fine. Of course the more annoying you get, the more you help my case :)

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Anyone else as amused as I over all the controversy over this ‘ring of [i:3hduytf9]harmony[/i:3hduytf9]?

btw– Got it! :twisted:[/quote:2lo8dyxf]

ok so again…

theorizing that one can leap within his own lifetime, Elwood stepped into the quantum leap accelerator, and vanished…he woke to find himself trapped in the past, facing mirror images that where not his own, and driven by an unknown force to change history for the better,..his only guide on this jouney is 13, an assistant from the future who appears in the form of a hologram that only Elwood can see and hear.

and so Elwood finds himself leaping from life to life, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that the next leap, would be the leap home.

anyone have a good STFU NOOB pic i’m starting to miss them…

brand :!: :evil:

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not quite what you wanted, but amusing…

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I think Weasel has too much time on his hands.

i love it! :twisted:

Yes, I like Sloth better then any other Mud I’ve seen. That’s why I keep coming back. Yes, every time Poolp and Ptheiving becomes active I spend my time looking at or playing other muds instead of playing here.

I know of several players who played here and quit saying it wasn’t worth the hassle and drama. What exactly does Pthieving do to make the game better?

Sloth is supposed to make mudding easy, right?

As for the Pthieving “code”, it is all BS. As noob, the first time I knew Pthieving was possible was when a L40 Pthief, Poolp, stole 5 L3 magestones from my “teen” Level cleric character. He immediately sold them, so there was no possiblity of ransom.

Great Mud, great cast of players. A few irritating problems that sometimes make it not worth playing. Losing items that took a week to pop or losing items while trying to raise others is not fun.

This is the crap that makes potential new blood say, why deal with this hassle, and go try a different mud.

I think the oft-used catch-phrase to legitimize the inclusion of pthieving in SlothMUD is ‘challenge’ ..my reply to that at the moment is.. GFY !:

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cackle, the sad thing is, he is doing it to his own country :shock:

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Who the fuck is Elwood? 8) and to respond…

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It’s asking that kind of question that lets everyone know you’re a newbie…

So, and I’m not saying I’m going to do this, what would be the implications for pthieves and their victims if I made it so that a druid shifted into a dog could smell an item and tell who had handled it in (say) the last rt month, maybe with some further details like “this item smells strongly of Guinex”, “this item carries a faint, recent odor of Poolp”, etc.?

Unfortunately I think that would just mean the turnover time of stolen eq would increase - pthiefs could ship it to another char and that char (which would not be a known pthief) would just sit on it until it smells only of them - if it was time based..

If it were based on the last X people who handled it regardless of time, then that too would be easily foiled by a ’laundering’ system where the initial pthief could have a series of non-pthief chars to ship the eq through until it comes out clean..

Isn’t it amazing how quickly Weasel comes up with stuff to circum navigate a pthief protection system… Are you thinking what I’m thinking?

BTW I wonder what the mobs have to say about players stealing there inventory and equipment? Don’t we say we live in a society where everyone is equal? I demand rights for mobs :p

Oh and.. “innocent till proven guilty”… don’t worry about that…

target weasel :twisted:

heh.. doesn’t take a genius to figure out what I did in 5 seconds flat..

..which I guess gives you something to be concerned about. :twisted:

Oh, I was aware they could circumvent the thing like that, but would they bother? And would anybody care if there was a way to tell who had had his hands on equipment?

True.. if you suspect you just scored stolen eq then I guess it becomes an ethical question really..

What will be will be I guess.

of course it would be much easier to not leave stuff in your inventory…. :evil:

Well yeah hehe, but being pthieved while getting changed to do a raise or while changing into regen while in a group? The only way to avoid that is don’t raise or be prepared to shock the dead (unless you wear raise eq all the time), and don’t change into regen gear - that way groups can be even more fun while we sit around regenning for double the usual time.. pthieving in that situation is not a challenge, it’s just a way to lessen the enjoyment of slothmud.

Yeah, forget regen. :P

A pthief can also fuck up a group when he starts recalling your leader and webbing your tank.

Fun!

Yeah, forget regen. :P

A pthief can also **** up a group when he starts recalling your leader and webbing your tank.

Fun![/quote:ms7mu4lq]

They won’t. I’m sure the person who meddle in your fight with mob will be wiped because it’s just another way of pkilling. It’s concern dispeling, recalling, webbing ppl, assit mobs etc, etc. And once again pthieves aren’t rule breakers, they do know rules.

Well yeah hehe, but being pthieved while getting changed to do a raise or while changing into regen while in a group?

…[/quote:ms7mu4lq]

what about to type ‘where’ before change to shock gear? and as I see when the leader says to regen in some room he should be fully confident that room is safe to regen and there are no pthieves near that place.

[quote:3psj3w6t]Autolycos: The sad thing is he’s doing it to his own country[/quote:3psj3w6t]

I see your bumbling idiot and raise u a crazed lunatic.

[img:3psj3w6t]http://www.povertybarn.com/images/rumsfeld_finger.jpg[/img:3psj3w6t]

Well yeah hehe, but being pthieved while getting changed to do a raise or while changing into regen while in a group?

…[/quote:3oj0a09r]

one word: stealth.

..plus typing ‘where’ doesn’t mean a pthief won’t arrive in the area 2 seconds later, unfortunately. A safe room is not always available or is impractical to return to if mid-run, and having to return to some safe room, change ito raise eq, then get back to raise a dead team member is totally impractical.

Oh crap, Edd. So you are telling that all the things I do every time you lead a group are against the rules?! Daaamn. I’ll really have to stop assist the poor meditating irda then.

Got it already from the first repop (but don’t tell Crush, he prolly will shot himself :P ). Now I’m kicking cooking male there. BTW it seems his regen kinda bugged. He respawned in awful condition but became exellent after we start to kick him and mare don’t stop him to regen hp.

Hmm.

Ok, first, I appreciate Kj even coming up with an idea for this. I know he’s one of the biggest supporters of pthieves. Here’s what I think of his idea:

You don’t know if it was stolen or not until you actually have the item. With shipping, you pay the fee before you actually receive.
No way to tell if a chopped item is stolen.
No way to tell if a claimed item is stolen.
Weasel has some excellent points as well.

You can can actually fix most of this though. Partially by building an identify into shopping. We have it for the quest shop and the query for shops… just a matter of making it work for ship.

Also, we already have personal flags on EQ. They stay there forever. If you add another personal type flag that says something like stolen-Poolp-Pendalf you can actually track who it’s stolen by and who they got it from and it won’t go away until it’s stolen again… Makes it rough since they’d either need another pthief to help them clean it (and only partially clean) and you’d have some idea who to return it to.

At least that would make it so that equipment is either sold back to its owner or junked. And on that subject, I’m also kind of in favor of the following:

Make it so that you can’t junk, sell or ship stolen eq. I’m also kinda in favor of giving it a cursed type effect as well so you can’t give it to say… the scribe. I figure that way the eq has to stay on the thief. So either the thief rents that char and loses it forever, or they risk someone getting it back every time they log on.

That last part is something everyone who’s been robbed would like a shot at…

And yes, I know that’s a lot of work and is probably still flawed. But I think it’s the best shot at leveling the playing field.

[i:1bs880iz][b:1bs880iz]applaud[/b:1bs880iz][/i:1bs880iz]

I see your bumbling idiot and raise u a crazed lunatic.

[img:1bs880iz]http://www.povertybarn.com/images/rumsfeld_finger.jpg[/img:1bs880iz][/quote:1bs880iz]

Well, I can assist cooking too.

(ignoring the pthieves topic)

cackle :twisted:

[img:1cbahg9t]http://www.xgenco.com/sloth3/krok_stfu.jpg[/img:1cbahg9t]

[quote:1ipl0go9]Well, I can assist cooking too. [/quote:1ipl0go9]

ok I’ll have a cheese burger, onion rings….

I suppose I could wonder which of my 3000 tombstones that one is…

When did you add stick figures to your repertoire of psychobabble?

I suppose I could wonder which of my 3000 tombstones that one is…

When did you add stick figures to your repertoire of psychobabble?[/quote:2vatoz4s]

oh come on.. give me more credit then that… i am a thief remember?

[url:2vatoz4s]http://www.slothmud.org/eqlist/maproom/isl_laaaam.jpg[/url:2vatoz4s]

Hmmm…

[quote:3inw098f]ok I’ll have a cheese burger, onion rings….[/quote:3inw098f]

[img:3inw098f]http://www.supyo.com/home/crazypics/images_1/indy.jpg[/img:3inw098f]

Nice suit Blastem.

:twisted:

OMFG that’s awesome :))))))))

Yeah, forget regen. :P

A pthief can also **** up a group when he starts recalling your leader and webbing your tank.

Fun![/quote:qbiq2uuf]

If this happens let me know. Depending upon the circumstances and frequency I have been known to deal with this.

More specifically:

if it happens once I likley won’t do anything about it
if it happens when people are regenning, I’m less likely to do something about it.
if it happens when nobody is fighting a mob, I’m less likely to do something about it.
if it happens when people are fighting a mob, I’m much more likely to do something about it.
if someone dies fighting a mob because of it (not corpses, just dies), I’m really likely to do something about it.

By doing something about it I mean I might do any of the following:

issuing a “one more chance” warning
reducing levels
wiping the offender
returning any subsequently stolen eq
banning an ip address or set of ip address
passwording related characters

For the record, I am in support of legitimate pthieving being part of the game. I would take these actions whether related to pthieving or not as I perceive them as harrassment.

Clink

Only if you get me a beer, Paul, btw :)

Chug Chug Chug Chug Chug Chug Chug Chug Chug Chug Chug Chug

[img:2hlmyg2g]http://www.spilsbury.com/wcsstore/Spilsbury/images/products/items/16995.jpg[/img:2hlmyg2g]

Someone missing a really,really nice sword? :twisted:

ooooh, so that’s where my katana went!

I am against this change on item tracer on pthieved items, as much as i hate pthieves, whats the point of the item tracer? Why not get rid of pthieving if your going to do this? BTW I love smashing pthieves around.

And i think the sword Harlot is referring to is a shiny longsword. NOOB :evil:

I’m certainly not going to make a faultless item tracer like 12345 suggested; I’m not really trying to stop pthieving with this, I just thought it might be interesting to be able to tell who had been handling an item. Would the odor thing as I had originally proposed be that tough on pthieves? Mostly what it would tell you is who the item originally belonged to if it was stolen. It might also tell you who stole it, although that would be pretty easy to hide by having another character sit on it for a little while.

the only thing thats really going to be shown in the tracer is exactly how much krap passes through me from one time to another.

hey Kj, how about you let me buy my own shopkeeper in a town so I can start a pawn shop. I’m curious to see how much more money I can make.. And if he held money for me, like the postmaster does on stuff sent with a price, plus it wouldnt clear out on reboot/crash… that would rock. i could stock the shop, and then pull in the coins at my liesure. :twisted:

I was sleeping at the fountain with all my eq in my inventory and now its all gone…someone help me! :(

[img:3fx6ybc1]http://www.geocities.com/saudixpat/wm.jpg[/img:3fx6ybc1]

LMFAO, that picture rocks! And Auto, I really don’t thing anybody wants anything that passed through you. :shock:

:shock:

[quote:27xuzrcy][b:27xuzrcy]Brady[/color:27xuzrcy][/b:27xuzrcy] LMFAO, that picture rocks! And Auto, I really don’t thing anybody wants anything that passed through you. [/quote:27xuzrcy]

i’m not selling kidney stones and plasma, ya jackass! :evil:

I think all rooms outside vaults should be nosteal, for obvious reasons.. or give us password access to main entrance of vaults rather than keys.

[quote:23umvbj8]Mostly what it would tell you is who the item originally belonged to if it was stolen. [/quote:23umvbj8]

I can see it now ….. someone gets item stolen goes running around mud yelling someone stole my item… lemme sniff your’s to make sure thats not it.

SMACK

some newbie gossips - I NEED A DRUID TO SNIFF EQ FOR ME PLZ????

Funny stuff

cackle..

then your really gonna have everyones nose up your ass! :twisted:

I’m certainly not going to make a faultless item tracer like 12345 suggested…[/quote:1a4nvryg]

The scent thing only encourages thieves to hold onto goods longer before they sell them. For joy, they’ll be pestering the mud longer before they get bored and go away.

The scent thing is also more involved than simply putting a tracer on it. It’s pretty easy to work up a set of db.c utils for is_stolen and mark_stolen that can be used generically.

I doubt it’s faultless, but it is tangibly more useful in my opinion…

I’m not exactly suggesting we banish pthieves… but I do think they’ve had it way too easy lately. Being able to quit! out of jail for example. And yes, I know it was fixed. But what’s the sense in a punishment that doesn’t work?

#1–require that the druid(at some point) had to have been in the same

   room with said thief in order to recognize the odor...

#2–make the odor on the item temporary(whether its stolen again or not)

   as even the strongest smells eventually fade...

Shazuko Roku Ryuu

<~~Chaos~~>

limit the amount of times they can use the steal command in one day…

#2–make the odor on the item temporary(whether its stolen again or not) as even the strongest smells eventually fade…[/quote:8odk5hou]

apparently you have not spent much time around Weasel…. that little rodent has not bathed in months… I doubt his stench would fade without a ritualistic cleansing, and a few human sacrifices.. :twisted:

[quote:1nblzelm]apparently you have not spent much time around Weasel…. that little rodent has not bathed in months… I doubt his stench would fade without a ritualistic cleansing, and a few human sacrifices..[/quote:1nblzelm]

heheh…..

heh.. it’s not me, it’s that damn Autolycos that keeps following me around :P

heh.. it’s not me, it’s that damn Autolycos that keeps following me around :P[/quote:k33veiwn]

ya, i’m following you with a damn can of Glade Air Freshener ya stinky bastard! :evil:

lol.. likely story :wink:

I just don’t see the point in this, or what it would even solve.

well to be honest Guinex, the point is to keep posting crazy nonsense until my counter hits 500 posts and i become an Avatar poster :twisted:

G, some people, basically four of em - Weasel, Auto, 12345 and Leaf (check the counters if ya don’t believe your master) just have tooo much free time, that’s why we are supposed to read their crazy stuff. :))

Perhaps. I’m just getting tired of the topic. If they go away, I don’t have to hear about it anymore :)

We’re the entertainment Krok. This forum would be dead without us :)

..actually, you should pay us. :twisted:

no doubt… sad krok couldnt be in our little group… but alas… she isnt annoying enuff.. she is just sad… poor sad little klurik :twisted:

crying quietly in the corner

1 more point! :P

:twisted: sulk your life away lil klurik..

I could go on a mass sleeping attack but I’d rather settle for the small baubles

that I can grab and go about my way.. btw is it illegal to sell personal items that were ‘ahem’ acquired cause I got this sword….

Ooh, who wants to bet she stole a sword of the defenders from the coliseum… I hope she tried to rent with the thing

I go away for like 5 days and come back with my name in Krok’s post. She

must really like me :)

PS: Auto’s stick figure of Krok … is she flat chested???

PS: Auto’s stick figure of Krok … is she flat chested???[/quote:x73dvdbf]

Young Sir William… Never ask a woman her age or cup size. A little research is very enlightning. She’s the one on the right :P

[img:x73dvdbf]http://sloth.eunet.lv/icons/sloth/gallery/A4IDGE106.jpg[/img:x73dvdbf]

Who’s the guy on the left, think I seen him in the sloth gallery somewhere…

And who is the dentist in the middle? :twisted:

heh

And you know who they’re all laughing at. . .

Yes Will, they’re all laughing at you.

:twisted:

Looool, Zammy, how much did we drink? :)))

I dont remember , Krokie ))

I’m not surprised Zam, making fun of Will is always a good reason to bring the old gang together to drink and have a good time..

We should all take a moment to think and reflect at all the great jokes, zingers and burns that were inspired by Will being a complete dumbass :twisted:

I propose a sloth drinking contest! I think it should be arranged along either Clan or State lines and should be a full on drink till you drop affair! The winner should then be crowned all time sloth brew meister and given drachma as well as the respect and adoration of all players!

Of course Will will lose and we will all have a good laugh about that! :P

I respectfully bow out and throw my support behind Brad. He is the only person I know that can be muddin, and have the cops stop by to answer a noise complaint. glug glug glug

are you crazy? what about Steve?

i dont think Brad ever had the cops stop by to pick him up while he was mudding :twisted:

ahhh…Steve. Twue twue.

Hey all I can say is I can’t drink. I’m pretty buzzin after 3 drinks, maybe

drunk after 6-7. Most I ever drank that I recall was 10 shots, 8 drinks, and

hum… thats about it. Pasted out that nite :)

Sword of Brillant Valor up….will turn loose for 1 mil coins ransom…no more no less :twisted:

Sword of Brillant Valor up….will turn loose for 1 mil coins ransom…no more no less :twisted:[/quote:u46w53yv]

this is half the problem i was talking about. a player who went through all the trouble to get this sword is worth having around and might quit because of stuff like this.

this is half of the solution as well. at least the item is being ransomed back. tip of the hat to harlot.

brand :!:

..and in this case, it’s not like you can redo the quest to get a replacement - it’s a one-shot prime eq deal only.. this could indeed cause a player to reconsider ever returning to sloth - many players would not want to start a new char from scratch just to regain that piece of eq.. and if someone thinks that this sort of play makes sloth interesting, well, you’re probably not all that interested in sloth having much of a future. It’s not like the playerbase has been growing lately and we can afford to lose people…

But where’s the meaning in being good, if it’s not even possible to be evil?

Anyone have any idea where our pbase is gone? Quit griping about this pthief krep, were running out of players here. Maybe its time to focus on something else.

But where’s the meaning in being good, if it’s not even possible to be evil?[/quote:jhgtcl7y]

Well I don’t pthieve, and most of the time I’m evil, so perhaps ask that question to whoever decided which mobs are evil and which are good. :twisted:

Actually your response doesn’t make much sense. This is not about good and evil, it’s about enjoying playing the game or ruining the game for others out of malicious intent and greed because you can’t be bothered playing ethically (which makes it pretty much a pyrrhic victory anyway if you’re a successful pthief). But hey, it’s not my call, all people like myself can do is express our displeasure and let you know when certain ‘features’ of slothmud are becoming an issue big enough to make people leave. Whatever you choose to do about it (if anything) is up to you. :)

Anyone have any idea where our pbase is gone? Quit griping about this pthief krep, were running out of players here. Maybe its time to focus on something else.[/quote:sas3bu19]

Any idea WHY our playerbase is dwindling? It is quite possible that pthievery is a significant cause, so that is probably why so many people are focussing on it. Duh…

I realise that pthieving is part of the problem, but its not the only one. Also you should realise that clearly the imm staff does not care if this is a problem with loosing a few people here and there for this. People leave becoming discouraged with other changes as well. People leave because they get tired of cycling the same stuff over and over.

What my point is…..do something proactive perhaps and [b:3dfblrli]VOTE[/b:3dfblrli][/size:3dfblrli]. My consistent readings of psychobabble and whining are starting to dwindle as well.

Off the top of my head there has been about 3-5 ppl that quit because of

pthiefs. They were from lvl 20 - 2x40

Any higher we all know that Sloth is like crack and we can’t live without out.

Then again I haven’t been on for awhile :)

Well I know of a couple people who have quit because of nasty things … one was blind for over 40min… logged .. he tried coming back on and his char is still blind… another was something that dropped his stats (unknown disease) to the point that he could not play… waited over 45min and it never went away got discusted and left… Others just plain got tired of cycling the same mobs over and over and fighting people for them to pop books.

The biggest reason I think that our player base is dwindling is the time of the year (spring to those in the norther hemi).. this time of year people just start droppin off the mud if you look at the history you will see a slump about this time of year every year.

Voting does help our playerbase yeah we get alot of morons and punks but they usually go away after a bit. But there are a few dedicated players that I see on that started back when we were #1 and #2 on M.C. now voting is easier than ever just 2 mouse clicks and yer done so please take the time to vote and keep sloth in freash meat.

As for pthieves… theres a few easy solutions to that problem #1 Watch what you are doing and whos around you. #2 Fix your eq change scripts. I’ve seen some scripts that take 10 seconds to change eq remember longer in inventory better chance to get stolen. put stuff in a drachma robe asap as these robes are !steal. If you want to be safe spend 150drachma and buy a cloak of specialization as an inventory container and never have another worry ;)

My $.02

Blastem

Off the top of my head there has been about 3-5 ppl that quit because of pthiefs. They were from lvl 20 - 2x40

Any higher we all know that Sloth is like crack and we can’t live without out. Then again I haven’t been on for awhile :)[/quote:1ak1v4pt]

actually Will.. its only partially because of the pthiefs.. the rest is people running away from you.. like Auriana, Firebrand, and Blackfox.. all your former lovers, and all deeply scarred :twisted:

So when r u leaving?

your delusional, Bit is my lover :twisted:

besides.. if i left.. who would torment you?

mutters something about psychobabble..

I was trying to stay out of this thread….

mutters something about psychobabble..

I was trying to stay out of this thread….[/quote:2xypwjsf]

give up!

[i:2xypwjsf][b:2xypwjsf]all your post threads are belong to me![/size:2xypwjsf][/color:2xypwjsf][/b:2xypwjsf][/i:2xypwjsf]

I’d like to point out that this is the third time I’ve ever posted on the crier.

I think the playerbase is dropping, cause the old players just can’t find a new thing to do. New skills and spells add a bit of fun, but when you finally get the damn book after 10+hours of perm cycling on all of the continents.. you are a bit discouraged, actually. We can solo stuff which was a dream for us in the childhood. We can do almost everything pretty well, but we have noooo new stuff to do. No new areas, no new forges etc.

btw, as for Tinner, who forged bone-hilted, silly sword is valor wasn’t the reason to leave.

My intentions, my four-legged furry friend is to allow Tinner who owned said weapon to re-acquire it should he ever return to character to play. By NOT

auctioning I am allowing him or one of his cohorts to gain said weapon back. I even went as far as to announce that I would turn it loose for a measely 250k coins if Tinner himself showed up to claim it.. as long as he danced a little jig for me,maybe even sing the Happy Woodcutter’s Song while doing so. Taking into account of who it belonged to and the circumstances that he may or may not return at all it’s not something I see as making someone else quit playing.. not my intentions and nothing I have done should make anyone think so.. furthermore had said item belonged to a how we say lesser known character I woulda ransomed it for probabaly a much lower amount..of course I could just give it to a non-pthief char of mine and just give it back for free but whats the fun in that? :twisted:

ps-bollocks to you for trying to damage my image. :evil:

touche

Harlot, almost all pthieves I met on Sloth are smart. You are such a cute exception.

Flattery will get you nowhere…the price remains at 1 mil coins :wink:

hehe. Actually it IS good that you are giving them the opportunity to get it back ..not that it’s of any use to you being personal eq. Then again, it would be worth substantially more on auction were it not personal. Whatever, I still think something that cannot ever be replaced should also be nosteal, but that’s just me.

Any idea WHY our playerbase is dwindling? It is quite possible that pthievery is a significant cause, so that is probably why so many people are focussing on it. Duh…[/quote:1xnrpg8k]

We’ve had 15 years of pthieving. If this was the primary driver in playerbase size we’d have negative amount of players on.

Clink

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it… pthief mode now in the ON position!!! :P

maybe.. or we might have a bigger playerbase now. Whatever, it’s theoretical and I think I said way back somewhere that what will be will be and there’s jack we can do about it.

:wink:

smokes pipe

pthieving was even MORE rampant back in the days we had queues to log into sloth, and it wasn’t even just 1 or 2 items stolen. sometimes a robe full of elite eq were stolen, etc.

and i don’t see how having pthieving on the mud is worse than muds that allow pkilling and plooting.

the admin here has already made it pretty hard for us to lose our stuff…i remember days where u only got 20 pieces of eq back if u lost them in a crash, and that’s through no fault of the player at all…

my 2 cents

nod, that was then, this is now :) but yeah ok if pthieving has to stay, perhaps make certain items nosteal if they are irreplaceable.. like prime eq autoquest eq.. And yes, they are personalized which means nobody else can use that item, but unfortunately that doesn’t stop pthieves from taking them.

I agree to some extent that if you leave stuff in your inventory then you are asking for it to be stolen, but if you are changing into raise eq to raise someone and eq gets stolen in the process, or likewise a big group needs to stop midway through a run for regen and returning to a safe room is impractical.. well perhaps pthiefs could be a bit more reasonable in those situations? Probably too much to ask, but hey, if we don’t ask, the answer is always no.. it is situations such as these that really bug players imho - when normal gameplay is effected detrimentally, not so much when a player is just being careless..

I getting kind of sick of talking about it to be honest.. it’s all just rhetoric it seems.. so perhaps I’ll give up commenting about it

that should make some of you happy. :)

I always considered pthieving as an element to sharpen my playing skill, and become more aware..Use it as motivation to become more SAVVY, and grow a spine already…jeez, Get smart, dont whine like little girls with skinned knees! I dont like gettin eq stolen either, but I decided that for every action, there’s GONNA be a reaction! But if you think that thieves dont ever steal, then you probably need to get jacked a few times…now quit bitching and go to bed…

Shazuko Roku Ryuu

<~~CHAOS~~>

:lol:

Have a not- too- heavy non-personal bag/pack/robe of goodies and sleep in a non-safe room. I’ll take care of the rest :twisted:

I think Shazuko just laid down a challenge for you Harlot.. :twisted:

Well, it’s been a while since I logged on and I’ll say upfront that it’s not pthieves that have prevented me from playing.

For my own comments: We have had pthieves for 15 years, but Sloth has changed over that time. Back then (sloth1 era) most in-game eq wasn’t so rare. Areas repopped faster, which means more repops over time, so dedicated players could pop eq more quickly. Pop rates were higher, though I doubt that any imms would comment on that. There were no single-chance autoquests, and no dracha items that might take a year or two to save up the drachma.

I’ve had eq stolen several times, and each time it’s been a very negative experience. Even in the situations where I’ve either been able to ransom the items back or recover my own eq through pkilling the thief, the experience is enough to make me question my commitment.

For the specific situation that created this thread: The person selling the ring of harmony may not be a pthief but I certainly don’t agree with him. I feel sorry for the players who defended him. Selling stolen eq for a profit is (to me) a terrible shame, especially if you know who the item belonged to. You are profitting from the misfortune of another person. It’s comparable to watching your neighbor’s house destroyed by a tornado, then finding his family’s photo album in your back yard. Sure, you might consider yourself lucky and offer to sell it back to your neighbor for 5k or 10k or whatever you consider it to be worth to that person. I’ll refrain from personal insults, but let me be the first person to say that in my opinion your behavior is disgusting.

well said.

This is a response to avatars post……..

I am one of those people who defended the accused in this particular thread. Please don’t feel sorry for me, I saw an unfortunate situation between two people I have never had a problem w/ and had to look at all the facts and particulars in the situation. I made my call, stated to the public that gondor is not a pthief, and the next time I was on helped gnu’s alt get back looted eq…so shrug……that is my stand on this, to try to do best by all players and not make others feel bad/stupid.

and to all of the comments based on the subject of dwindling player base…… my experience w/ this mud (Resouh<—————pretty new player) hasn’t left me feeling warm and fuzzy inside on the social aspect of this mud……I can easily seeing this mud becoming one of those derelict muds w/ 15 players that have been playing for 10 years shrug

Sorry to those who this doesn’t apply to, sorry for the imms who put so much time into this mud, and sorry to see this being the central focus of our community.

Resouh

Also in response to Avatar’s post:

While I appreciate your concern for me…..I believe that we do not see this situation in the same light. True, I do feel bad for Pendalf’s loss and am trying to find some sort of solution to recompense. However, I believe that this is more like watching someone’s house be destroyed by a tornado…finding their photo album in your backyard…..being accused by your neighbor of stealing the album and watching while all of your neigbor’s and those you thought were friends turn into a lynch mob because you were offended by that accusation. Honestly, I can’t say that I would have done the same….but I will not turn against my friends (including Pendalf) for something as petty as this.

The ring is off of the chopping block. This entire topic is a matter of ethics and personal choices. Pthieving is part of Sloth history and obviously the immortals are not inclined to remove it anytime soon. Pushing this topic farther will only serve as an annoyance to them and create boundaries between friends. Let this lie!!–or as Auto would say STFU!!! :twisted:

Points of interest by the artist formerly known as Avatar

1- I’ve had eq stolen several times, and each time it’s been a very negative experience. (well, duhhhh!}

2- Selling stolen eq for a profit is (to me) a terrible shame, especially if you know who the item belonged to. (You’d rather we junk them?)

3- You are profitting from the misfortune of another person. (Ding Ding Ding Ding—I think a little lightbulb slowly lit as Avatar answered his own reasoning)

4- I’ll refrain from personal insults, but let me be the first person to say that in my opinion your behavior is disgusting. (Now that’s just rude,I take offense)

Let me just state that I never stole from a person I didn’t like but in your case I’m willing to make an exception :twisted:

Now that I find that druids can kill in a peaceroom while shifted I think it’s only fair that they should also be allowed to steal in a peaceroom… gonna make me a druid pthief and get right on that.Thanks :P

I honestly pity you harlot…

Is the only power you feel in life come from making others hate you?

That’s only about Gondor’s reputation and some players not helping him in the future. I’m evil enough to remember that my friend Pendalf didn’t get the ring.

I would like to petition that a higher level druid shift be allowed to steal.. shifting into level 4 ferret doesn’t allow much of a chance for ptheivery.. may I suggest…

level 40 mongoose shadowwalk,steal,hide ??? :twisted:

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Sure…you can get right onto levelling a druid to 32 avatar (same level a druid can pkill in a safe room, only fair it’s the same level you can steal in one) :twisted:

…Of course cookie monster said it better.

Perhaps my reputation has been slightly soiled by all of this but I did what I felt was right after the way things started. Had they been acted upon differently the outcome would have surely been different. In the future try resolving the issue directly with the seller instead of taking it directly to the public.

Through all of my time on Sloth I have not had a problem with anyone until now. I have always went out of my way to help and have been helped in the past. I realize that is in the past and I plan to leave it there. If from this point forward you do not wish to help me thats fine. I will be sure not to ask for your help.

Everyone has their own opinion. At least we are in agreement that I we disagree.

Count on me Gondor…. I myself have never judged you and if your ever in a pickle I’ll be glad to help. Having said that, I suggest that the ones that take offense to what happened to wake up and smell the roses. Had it been someone not well known or liked, it would have been perfectly ok to auction said item off. Get your priorities straight,the ones who are eager to accuse and condemn perhaps have the biggest skeletons in their closet. :idea:

Come’n guys, pls dun have all this ill feelings over what started out as a big misunderstanding.

Gnu lost a ring to a thief and have every right to distrust anyone holding the ring/selling it. I’d be pissed too and would even slap someone for it. (i slap when pissed)

Gondor is pissed coz he felt offended by remarks that he was the thief who took the ring. So he decided to stick to his plans to sell the ring. Gondor mentioned if gnu had spoke to him privately, he wouldve returned the ring.

You see gnu misunderstood you for the thief, so obviously he wont talk to you privately. He didnt know you found it. He just know he lost his ring, and you showed up selling it. Had he known you, he wont put up the post airing his suspicions. So it wasnt something done any with ill-intention.

So this whole situation was the perfect setup for a fight. And as for the pthief, hes enjoying the whole show. Harlot too seems be enjoying pitting you guys against each other.

Just my opinion, and i hate to see a nice friendly community turn sour over things like this. I like sloth more for the ppl in it, rather than playing (i have no aims for my char - eq/lvls/etc, and splorking kobolds still bring me great joy).

so there.

p/s: my first post!!! yes!!! HI GUYS!! SHARA! G! NYX! CHOBS! RAJ! waves vigorously

Who are you to offer advice… :evil:

Bring back the cookie monster! :twisted:

I’m usually very willing to help with CR’s raises whenever I can help, and I’ll still help anyone who’s dead. My disagreement with specific people doesn’t mean I’ll stop helping, even those I disagree with. I know it doesn’t help much, since I’m not online often these days.

Harlot isn’t included obviously. Pthieves don’t deserve even dialogue.

Charles

grrrrrr….

holds jezer at arms length as he tries desperately to reach you, and slap him silly

Haha, sorry foxy, my post was at harlot until you cut in.. mean ol’ hag :lol:

omg! omg! :shock: sorrryyy!!! :oops:

Yeah, I usually help even morons, but I’m too bored. Need to flame etc. :)

Get out of Harm’s Way Certificates 500000 500000 brand 5 Days 16 Hours 47 Minutes 3 Seconds Harlot

:shock:

How about a “I may consider not pkilling your pthieving arse more then five times a day” certificate.. cost 5,000,000. :twisted:

Evil kluriks, venal pthieves acting like a whore, useless spells, retired avatars stealing gold from newbies and Decider who donâ€™t remember how to make spell_dam shard. No fun, no funâ€¦

Get out of Harm’s Way Certificates 500000 500000 brand 5 Days 16 Hours 47 Minutes 3 Seconds Harlot[/quote:dfecpjf1]

btw, this is a pthief offering this agreement… does anyone seriously believe a pthief will honor such an agreement? If you do, there’s a few bridges here in NYC I’d like to sell you while you’re at it…

there’s a few bridges here in NYC I’d like to sell you while you’re at it…[/quote:b8kc7n28]

hrmmm… how much? stats? im bored waiting for the stupid Spirit of Bal Harbor to dock. a private bridge will do nicely.

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Get out of Harm’s Way Certificates 500000 500000 brand 5 Days 16 Hours 47 Minutes 3 Seconds Harlot[/quote:1ymmz86o]

Actually, Harlot is getting a bargain. In addition to getting .5 mil coins, the buyer agrees not to interfere with Harlot. I wish I could get the cops to agree to pay me 5 grand in exchange for not giving me tickets in the next 9 months….

It also protects from only 1 pthief. I know we have at least 2 atm.

Or, I could just keep my money, web, blind, silence, jail, pkill, etc Harlot at will and laugh at them a lot.

Choices, choices…

Or, I could just keep my money, web, blind, silence, jail, pkill, etc Harlot at will and laugh at them a lot.

Choices, choices…[/quote:2zm1is08]

i love it! :twisted:

hrmmm… how much? stats? im bored waiting for the stupid Spirit of Bal Harbor to dock. a private bridge will do nicely.

+image[/quote:1axmh546]

hehe nice work :)

Not accusing any Imm’s but allowing non-imm char’s to know who alt non-pthief char’s for killing should be againt the rules. Probably isn’t and I’m not going to lose any sleep over it but maybe I was more annoying than good at ptheiving but at least I kept people busy chasing and killed the monotany from slow game days.. whatever.. screw it I’ll go into semi-retirement. It’s not a case of I lost and you won.. I would like to think of it as you got what you wanted.. now go back to being bored.

When pthief’s lose its “retirement,” when players lose we are “weak and stupid.”

To quote a weasel “I don’t have an attitude problem, you have a perception problem.”

Never suggested anyone was weak or stupid. But I never came out unless it was really low amount of players and/or no groups on for awhile. Like I stated previous I never stole from someone I didn’t like and if anything enjoyed sparring with my fellow mudder.I’m only suggesting that getting all worked up over a pthief that had a less than 20% success rate isn’t worth it.. I had fun and if you didn’t shrug wasn’t mean to ruin your fun…I had enough people tell me they enjoyed my somewhat comical approach to thievery and if you didn’t fall into this group.. well then apologies. :twisted:

Not sure I even know you Harlot… my comment is about the attitude of pthief’s…

When they steal they are being “Robin Hoods” or “Adding to the Mud” or they say “People are enjoying it.” They try to come across as “lovable rogues.”

This is a perception pthief’s paint of themselves… no one else buys it!

I don’t understand why people in life accept evil… ok I’m starting to moralise a bit here… I think it’s wrong to say “You shouldn’t of had that hex in inv, its your own fault.” To say that, you suggest people should tolerate evil… I refuse to tolerate evil! Stand up! This is how people die in genocide… No one bothers to stand up! This IS just a game, but I try to play this game in the way I conduct my own life.

No matter what pthief’s think they do for the mud (yes I do enjoy chasing them) I lost a hex I could of sold for 100k… that is a fact! The next bunch of tokens I pop go to auto’s stupid trivia give-away…

At least he is building something and not breaking it! And that is a right attitude… !!!

A bunch of wrongs don’t make a right!

Well said!

[quote:2sncmole] Like I stated previous I never stole from someone I didn’t like [/quote:2sncmole]

Maybe the problem was, you weren’t capable of it?

[i:3cz8pmd6]" don’t understand why people in life accept evil… ok I’m starting to moralise a bit here… I think it’s wrong to say “You shouldn’t of had that hex in inv, its your own fault.” To say that, you suggest people should tolerate evil… I refuse to tolerate evil! Stand up! This is how people die in genocide… No one bothers to stand up! This IS just a game, but I try to play this game in the way I conduct my own life."[/i:3cz8pmd6]

Oh what a crock of shit Jeezer :) You play this game the way you conduct yourself in real life? That mean you go around killing hundreds of people in real life? If you want to seriously try portray Sloth in terms of actual good and evil we are all evil by societies standards!!!

It is a game. Games have rules, and when you agree to play the game, you agree to abide by the rules. The rules allow pthieving. That is no more evil than killing the citizens in Bal Harbor. Maybe rather than trying to play the game the way you live your life you should try get a life? :)

I knew it was just a matter of time before some idiot mistook the SPIRIT in which I said what I said… sigh, I just can’t be bothered explaining myself. From your past posts sometimes I think you just try to be a nuisance!

Anyone can find “holes” in a part of a sentance, but you have to understand things in the context of what they are written. My morals in real life to some degree influence how I play sloth… In the fact that only the players in this game are real, and I treat them as I do real people in real life.

I mean what do you think… I go around killing people in real life like I do mobs on sloth… GROW A BRAIN!

stfu :twisted:

4 more post to break the 200 mark.. we can do it!!!!

for someone who came up with a bunch of shit about how we shouldn’t cuss etc etc and people who cuss in the game will cuss in real life, you sure come up with a whole lot of crap

stfu please, thank you

Heh, I might actually take Harlots advice… :)

Today has been a horrible day, seemed like I was checking the board every fives minutes, I’ve been totally absorbed in it the whole day. Then I’ve said some pretty harsh things… Taking things a bit to serious, sorry for the flaming grue, but you took me the wrong way…

One of my favourite songs says…

“Don’t let me become the man, that I say that I despise.”

I think I might take a week break from the board.

When they steal they are being “Robin Hoods” or “Adding to the Mud” or they say “People are enjoying it.” They try to come across as “[b:2defavgi]lovable rogues[/color:2defavgi][/b:2defavgi].”[/quote:2defavgi]

lovable rogues eh?

i didn’t know you cared so much about me :oops:

i’m touched.. truly. :twisted:

Ever wonder if thieves go spellbook hunting?

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[b:6m4mlfr8]its Avatar thief lv5 restricted… this greatly reduces common pthieves from using… [/b:6m4mlfr8]

i cant wait :twisted:

quit!

Goodbye, friend.. Come back soon!

Ok you talked me into it!!!! :P

Thanks Jezer, it was intended humorously hence the smileys, sorry if it offended.

Mustang, as a matter of interest where I come from the word shit is considered about as bad as the way crap is used in the United States, and crap is actually a swear word. Cultural differences.

There is also a fairly large difference between what I posted and the constant use of the F word.

You know. instead of just having a gut level reaction to anything I post, you may actually benefit by reading and thinking about the content. I avoided my first reaction which was to flame you because I want to prove a point here.

My point was valid and constitutes debate, not a flame. Your kind of reaction is one of the very reasons why some folks no longer feel Sloth is a community.

I’m the resident harlot if that helps :twisted:

I renounced my ptheiving and still get attacked on sight…where is this community you speak of? Can we not all get along? I’m perfectlly content to keeping to myself. No use to make a new char because Forest will just look up IP addy and match names and attack new non-thief char.. ho hum 8)

ya forest is a big mean bully…

thats probably why i like him so much :twisted:

If that was true Harlot, he would be killing your main characters which all use the very same IP as your well played pthiefs do.

So cut the accusations before I “accidently” give out your main characters…

Splork :twisted:

*Cackle! yippon! 10 point to the Splorkenator

:twisted:

[img:y1kiz1e3]http://www.omgpwned.net/pics/owned/donkeybite.jpg[/img:y1kiz1e3]

Direct quote from Splork

If that was true Harlot, he would be killing you main charatcers which all use the very same IP as your WELL PLAYED pthiefs do.

Well gosh Splork, i’m not proclaiming to be any good but thanx for the vote of confidence. Means alot to me…really :roll:

Albie that phawkin rocks man! :twisted:

For once I actually didn’t mean it like that but..

I guess your welcome:)

Splork

If at first you don’t succeed, try-try again lil pthief :P

chuckle

cmon harlot, think of a good comeback, so far Splork has ya beat 10/0

Saturday Night!

Steal Cage Grudge Match!

[b:2rjmov3g]Harlot vs Splork[/b:2rjmov3g]

BEEEEEE THERE!

stfu :P

so i just had another water container stolen, i guess you could call it rare.

but you could just call it a water container like any other.

see i’m glad we have player thieving because i also get so amped when i steal things like this.

tingles, lots of tingles, all over.

i guess i could just be missing the point of this whole thing but could someone tell me why this is helpful for getting new players to join or old players to stay. or even why it’s fun to do.

anyone.

anyone…

Direct quote from Brand:

see i’m glad we have player thieving because i also get so amped when I STEAL things like this.tingles, lots of tingles, all over.

I rest my case,let the flames continue :twisted:

I give this thread a thumbs up.

zzzzz……bring it on smoke

Guinex is such a swindler.

He’s got people thinking his avatar is not a RL photo that he himself uploaded.

Heh, you must be the only one that thinks i don’t have leprosy. Thanks

On another note, does anyone know who this Forest fellow is?

I’ve had secret admirers in the past,…But ever since I started uncovering

them one by one and they are not-so-secret anymore, most of them are

open about their homosexual tendencies (Guinex would kill me if I didn’t

include this shoutout so here it is: GUINEX <3) but Forest is something

else. He constantly sends me tells, writes me love MUDletters, follows me

around but denies his unearthly desire for me whenever I call him out on

gossip. It makes me sad that closeted individuals still exist. Life is unfair.

On yet another note, I decided to start my own fanclub. Current members are*:

Derro and all his alts (yes, Nia included)

Guinex

Splork and all his alts (yes, Harlot included JK SPLORK DONT WIPE ME!!)

Mithrandir and all his alts

Jake

Shara

Ming

Autolycos

Weasel

Rules:

You must be a fan (“tell derro you stole my robe you fucking fag!” qualifies for this)

You must have killed me at least once (sorry DS, means none of you can join)

You must be female or at least be able to pretend to be one (Guinex will give you good tips on this)

Upon joining the soon-to-be-created clan channel you must recite a prayer that includes my name (ie If you’re roleplaying someone who is overweight and I just jacked your food, you can channeltalk Thank you, oh Great Derro, for cleansing my inventory from the evil lutefisk. Thank you, Oh Great Derro, I am forever in debt to you.)

Benefits:

Morting sessions performed by kind immortals

Access to every autoquest in the fanclub’s quest database that expands faster than Forest’s penis when he kills me

You get to talk to me (normally I charge rl cash for this)

You can access my vault which has recently been broken into by ~~DRAGONSWORN PLAYER BURGLARS~~ (since then they have changed their tag to the unwritten ~~PBURGLARS~~ tag)

Russian Hacker Support (Being bullied at school? Boss making you work on sundays? No worries, our native SlothMUD-born Russian hackers will be eager to unleash 1 GB of DDoS data onto your enemies.)

How to apply:

Just put <~~I LOVE DERRO~~> as your clan tag and I will contact and initiate you as soon as possible.

Thank you,

Best regards,

Nia ERRR….Derro

*Note: may not be actual members.[/size:1uwodqzq].

You can access my vault which has recently been broken into by ~~DRAGONSWORN PLAYER BURGLARS~~ (since then they have changed their tag to the unwritten ~~PBURGLARS~~ tag)[/quote:203poq98]

You just can’t trust anyone anymore…

On yet another note, I decided to start my own fanclub. Current members are*:

Derro and all his alts (yes, Nia included)

Guinex

Splork and all his alts (yes, Harlot included JK SPLORK DONT WIPE ME!!)

Mithrandir and all his alts

Jake

Shara

Ming

Autolycos

Weasel [/quote:3lc10qia]

*cackle…

its nice to know that I have suddenly become so highly regarded..

and that 2 my pirates are with me, just warms the cockles of my heart.

Guinex i understand, since he and I are both consumed with hate.

but I didn’t think Shara was capable… my little girls growing up :twisted:

PS. that pic is much tamer then what guinex really looks like, at his current

state of decay, they wouldn’t allow it on the site for humanitarian reasons.

:twisted:

I have a system for dealing with pthiefs. It doesn’t work well, but I don’t see a better way. Unfortunately it punishes me, not the pthief.

I check live info and if any known pthieves are logged on, I don’t.

If any log-on while I play, I leave.

This is my choice and I’m not suggesting others do the same.

It is my way of saying, to the powers that be, that pthieving has made the mud a pain in the poolp.

It pisses me off that I can no longer recommend this great mud to new players. It is not a welcoming atmostphere. This is true in spite of the efforts of almost all the players to be helpful, friendly and forgiving of us noobs. How can I vote for or say this is friendly supportive mud when most comments and gossip are about a few players that want to spoil your fun?

FYI. I’ve not had continuing problems with pthieves since I follow the annoying requirements of returning to an inn or such place every time I need to read, or to regen, or mem, or any any time I get a pop. Read this! This is annoying and slows down the play.

Pthieving steals enjoyment. If I want aggravation, I don’t need to come her e get it.

Zing

I agree completely with Zing.

I have a system for dealing with pthiefs. It doesn’t work well, but I don’t see a better way. Unfortunately it punishes me, not the pthief.

I check live info and if any known pthieves are logged on, I don’t.

If any log-on while I play, I leave.

This is my choice and I’m not suggesting others do the same.

It is my way of saying, to the powers that be, that pthieving has made the mud a pain in the poolp.

Pthieving steals enjoyment. If I want aggravation, I don’t need to come her e get it.

Zing[/quote:7xs66w8o]

Sorry but you are a retard, as is any other whiner who cries like a bitch about pthieves. Perhaps SlothMUD.org should open up a online store that offers tissues, tampons and No More Tears Johnson and Johnson shampoo? With a business opportunity like this one we’ll be able to go 3D in a coule of weeks. Jake, Splork, hit me up, I have some really great eCommerce scripts to offer.

I’d love to have seen you play back in those times when pthieving was as easy as Bit’s mom and didn’t require the (arguable) skill it does today. With recent skills/gamechanges like avatar druid shapeshift, toss, nightmares, inability to enter vault while boarded, unless you’re on Valkyre you’ll be surprised to find your ass served to you on a pretty platter with a side dish of your choice even if you’re not boarded.

smoke

With recent skills/gamechanges like avatar druid shapeshift, toss, nightmares, inability to enter vault while boarded, unless you’re on Valkyre you’ll be surprised to find your ass served to you on a pretty platter with a side dish of your choice even if you’re not boarded.[/quote:luyt46m4]

Yeah, I kinda like it. Things are starting to get difficult for you. Think of it as our way of making the game more enjoyable for you. Kinda like the way you make the game more enjoyable for us.

In the end though, I’m sure it won’t bother you at all. It’s allowed, so obviously the gods want it to be part of the game, right?

I’m pretty sure every DS has killed your pthief once.

Also DS isn’t a Russian base clan. Most are from the USA, and some

are located in Asia.

PS: Come bring your pthief, I’m sure we will pkill you again, and again,

and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again etc…. :twisted:

Pthiefs cant take your things unless you have items in your inv. So keep them out of your inv etc. Adjust to the threat. If you die on a mob without sanc do you keep trying to kill it without sanc? Keep your things out of reach and they dont get stolen.

A pthief can be annoying for sure. Very very scary. However instead while keeping things out of your inv, wait for them to steal then enjoy hunting them down and killing them.

What truly ruins the mud is players who treat all like noobes and think they are a gift to the game. Getting put down, laughed at, and made an example of for asking what they consider simple questions is much more likely to have a new player not play sloth. Some noobes are annoying and ask many many endless questions. But most of the newbies that get shot down dont really need the reaction that they get to their question.

What is old for some, is new and different for those trying to learn.

Seriously keep your eq out of your inv. Keep sense life up, and maybe even toss a magic rope room up if your out in the open and absolutely have to change eq.

Before I enter my vaults I check who, look around, and even cast an area spell to make sure no one is in the room with me before I unlock the vault. Paranoid….possibly, do I still have all my junk….yes.

PS. that pic is much tamer then what guinex really looks like, at his current

state of decay, they wouldn’t allow it on the site for humanitarian reasons.

:twisted:[/quote:1lt5ehe7]

Guinex is still my favorite concubine. Nobody has the “sharpen weapon” skill in the 90%’s like he does…IF YOU KNOW WHAT I’M SAYING WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE

What is old for some, is new and different for those trying to learn.[/quote:293lgb0p]

This is a very good point - I have repeatedly seen on mud review sites complaints like this about various muds. Please please please be nice to the newbies, regardless of their level!

Mosaix has the best plan, hands down. I subscribe to it myself. Pthieves are still annoying. I’ll use an example that Blackguard can easily confirm.

Spellbooks cost a lot to rent, so I tend to hold them when I have something that might be hard to find again. I used to have a JJD that I would remove to do this. I was tired one night, but noticed the mud had been up for a while, so I figured I’d run the shops quick and stock up on some newbie eq and spellbooks and then rent again. I made it all the way to the Auction House when one of Derro’s alts reminded me that I could be pushed and that I had a JJD in inventory. He rented the thief immediately, so there was pretty much nothing I was going to do about it.

At first, I wasn’t overly worried about it. Annoyed slightly that I wasn’t going to rent, but not really bothered. I offered to buy it back. He told me it wasn’t a problem, just give him 4 mils. Considering that I was (still am) about 2cps from forging another JJD for free, I wasn’t going for it. I told him a max of 2. Then he did a very stupid thing and rented.

First reason this was stupid: It annoyed me. I was still logged on and was in slightly worse shape than when I got there. I was annoyed that I didn’t have the coins, and cycling a couple mils just to give it to a greedy thief didn’t sit well with me. And best, he wasn’t logged on, so there wasn’t much I was going to be able to do to get it back anytime soon.

Second reason this was stupid: It took me about 2 hours to realise that I don’t need the thing. I simply replaced it and have moved on rather handily. So, he basically screwed himself out of the offer I did give him. I now also have a perm Valker, which is something I have always wanted, but never gotten around to actually making.

I’ve seen many others get annoyed for basically similar circumstances. They’re good about watching for thieves, but let their guard down for something like a raise, or change eq in a scribe’s shop they thought was safe and get jacked. It’s annoying, and even more so when you know it’s avoidable.

Spreading annoyance is bad karma. I’m fortunate that I didn’t lose anything that mattered, but the annoyance it caused isn’t something that I’d wish on others. And it have a very logical and definable source. Derro. Poolp. Harlot.

They spread annoyance and chase people from the game for petty reasons. Nothing they do matters unless it’s negative. Poolp I will give a margin of credit, because even though I find him annoying, he’s got a margin of honor and honesty that I appreciate. He’s still annoying.

So, please, take Mosaix’ advice. I think the game would be better without them, but there’s currently not much that can be done about them except to try to cause them as much annoyance as they cause themselves. Karma and all. It quite likely won’t bother them, but it can be fun to try. :)

Guinex is a very sophisticated transexual, so be nice…

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Sorry but you are a retard, as is any other whiner who cries like a bitch about pthieves…

I’d love to have seen you play back in those times when pthieving was as easy as Bit’s mom and didn’t require the (arguable) skill it does today….

smoke[/quote:3gf3rdf4]

Nia ERRR….Derro (so i worship Nia, or did until just now, so throw me that retard bone and tell the short bus to come pick me up)

that right derro this isn’t our grandma’s sloth or your old sloth anymore, lots of changes, and i’m thinking the best are still on the way. typing faster then you can think also seems to be a (arguable) skill of derro today.

i’m of the mind that you cannot teach noobs to keep items out of thier inv.

it is just not possible, until a few things get jacked to teach them this.

i’ll help with a cr or a question whenever, but i can’t help someone get back stolen eq (this does burn me to some extent) we all can see how talking to derro about getting an item back or even the nightly news could make someone stop playing all together. and when you lose one new player you will also lose the 2 or 3 friends they playwith here as they move somewhere else. the largest most popular games right now don’t have this player thieving going on. a few of us here think sloth would beifit from the same. then all these old players/imms who now steal here could go over to another mud that allows pthieving and start doing some good for sloth by driving the players they steal from back here.

we all can see how talking to derro about getting an item back or even the nightly news could make someone stop playing all together. [/quote:2zp4eil0]

What’s all this incoherent gibberish about player thieves making people leave the MUD? I remember speaking to Jake about two years ago, and the wisest words ever spoken about MUD population were something similar to this “If you pthief from a player and it makes him leave the game, it’s the fault of the game that drove him to the point. Nothing alone makes the player want to leave the game, it’s the general gameplay issues that are to be blamed.” A good example of this is Brad. I remember this one time when he firestormed Mason along with me, died, and I pushed him south. He wrote the longest piece of literature I’ve ever read about how he hates the world and how he’ll never return but guess what? He was back within two days farming poy cps.

[quote:2zp4eil0]and when you lose one new player you will also lose the 2 or 3 friends they playwith here as they move somewhere else.[/quote:2zp4eil0]

Show me a true VALKYRE newbie that I have stolen from and I’ll give you 5M straight up. If anything, I’m the only communist pthief who steals from the capitalist bourgeois avatar pigs and gives [b:2zp4eil0]YES GIVES[/b:2zp4eil0] it to the poor, hard-working proletariat that are the sub-20 newbies!

[quote:2zp4eil0]the largest most popular games right now don’t have this player thieving going on. [/quote:2zp4eil0]

Where are you getting your info? World of Warcraft has restricted PK, Shadowbane had player thieving, both can be considered “most popular games.”

And hahahaha @ your post, Bit. So the [b:2zp4eil0]bit[/b:2zp4eil0]ter truth finally comes out. You still have your bra on a little too tight because I didn’t sell you your jing-jit disk back. Once again I’ll explain it to you. The market value of the JJD is 5M. I gave you a million coin discount. It’s not my fault that you didn’t have/want to pay/want to borrow the money, I hope I taught you a good lesson. Needless to say I sold the JJD for 4M. So why was it stupid of me, exactly? I got mine, you got yours.

And hahahaha @ your post, Bit. So the [b:2zgv7flh]bitt[/b:2zgv7flh]er truth finally comes out. You still have your bra on a little too tight because I didn’t sell you your jing-jit disk back. Once again I’ll explain it to you. The market value of the JJD is 5M. I gave you a million coin discount. It’s not my fault that you didn’t have/want to pay/want to borrow the money, I hope I taught you a good lesson. Needless to say I sold the JJD for 4M. So why was it stupid of me, exactly? I got mine, you got yours.[/quote:2zgv7flh]

Bitter? Nah. I just don’t like you, can’t say I ever really did. And if I really wanted the disk back, it’s not to tough to forge when you got 2 extra pearls lying around. But think whatever you like, I don’t mind. :wink:

And hahahaha @ your post, Bit. So the [b:3w0qrwte]bitt[/b:3w0qrwte]er truth finally comes out. You still have your bra on a little too tight because I didn’t sell you your jing-jit disk back. Once again I’ll explain it to you. The market value of the JJD is 5M. I gave you a million coin discount. It’s not my fault that you didn’t have/want to pay/want to borrow the money, I hope I taught you a good lesson. Needless to say I sold the JJD for 4M. So why was it stupid of me, exactly? I got mine, you got yours.[/quote:3w0qrwte]

Would you like a tissue with that? Obviously you felt strongly about your JJD if you shed salty tears of anguish all over my screen for 3 paragraphs.

Check out this haiku that I wrote, yo.

Your disk is stolen

And so are your megahurts

Tears roll down your face

The best way to encourage an asshole is to acknowlege him.

Brady speaks the truth. Excellent comment.

The best way to encourage an asshole is to acknowlege him.[/quote:2o884jeq]

Bah, he just doesn’t know how to read. It wasn’t written for him, so he can think whatever he wants. It doesn’t affect me at all if he thinks I’m scarred for life over the event, and it gives him something to masturbate to. Everyone’s happy.

The best way to encourage an asshole is to acknowlege him.[/quote:3emkdcgn]

And masturbate I will.

OHHH YEAH IM THE BEST AT SLOTH OHHH YAAAAAAAAAAA FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP SPLURGE

Oh yeah.

The best way to encourage an asshole is to acknowlege him.[/quote:6572rllq]

the sleeper has awakened, and we shall call him, Muad’Dib

He shall speak wisdom, and spread his teachings accross the land.

:twisted:

Sorry Auto, you beat me to the send… I’ll fix :)

And masturbate I will.

snip[/quote:2a3dvqr1]

Ok, you’ve degenerated from twisted to pathetic… want to try for moronic?

Ok, you’ve degenerated from twisted to pathetic… want to try for moronic?[/quote:4ipn0dah]

blackguard, clink, and harlot have that pretty much covered..

bravo i say! :twisted:

Mmmmmmm.

Bring on the meltdowns!

seems someone forgot to close the gate again.. :twisted:

Brady, Autolycos and that 12345678910 fellow,

Why are you bothering me? I told you jerkoff’s I retired from pthieving. I hate to do this now but I will like to announce that I am in fact 9 months pregnant with Auto’s son( could be Splork’s because I did have a little to much to drink that night) but none the less, I’ve decided to raise my son as a bard. I will hopefully teach him enough about the wrongs of the world that he himself won’t resort to pthievery. Not like bards make good pthieves anyways although they can tell a tall one at the drop of a hat.For the rest of you people

against pthieves, I ask you this, who would you rather have your equipment? Moi or that tough sash that struck you down for being the annoying piss ant you are. So don’t blame pthieves, they provide a service. Ungrateful ingrates indeed. :evil:

[img:yhmhnwr5]http://www.oohshiny.net/gallery/d/464-1/monkey_001.jpg[/img:yhmhnwr5]

Harlot…

For someone who has an alt that still plays the game, you talk a lot. I recommend getting off the subject…

Brady, Autolycos and that 12345678910 fellow,

cackle… i didn’t bash on you for being a thief, i just said you were moronic…. and if your pregnant with my son, then that just prooves it without a doubt, don’t it? :twisted:

PS.. Albie… dude.. that takes pure talent.. :twisted:

Mosiax:

[quote:1jbql65f]Before I enter my vaults I check who, look around, and even cast an area spell to make sure no one is in the room with me before I unlock the vault. Paranoid….possibly, do I still have all my junk….yes.[/quote:1jbql65f]

I agree with you, but at that point I have to say that I’m not even going to bother going to my vault.

Pthieving has hurt our pbase recently. I also think the lack of Imms being around lately has also hurt us. When many of us went afk couple months ago, our who lists were 40-50 people-now they are 30-40. Whether it is because of pthieves, lack of Imm interaction, lack of Imm control (because Ive noticed way too many unslothy things since my return), I dont know. But hopefully this is going to stop now that a few of us are back…

A few noticeable things that I want to see come to an end;

webbing innocent people on VK and leaving them there for 40 tics
sleeping innocent people so that they can be stolen from-or whatever other idiotic excuse
rudeness/being mean on gossip towards one another(unless its from me-cause thats all I do)
and a bunch of other crazy stuff we have been witnessing

On a side note, I’ve made a few changes to town mobs. They may react a time or to to known pthieves. They have already found this out. But I don’t see how a player can be boarded 50 times and still walk around the Red Sashes or sit at inns without an occasional repurcussion.

We are also busy working on some spellbook concerns. I will add set_learned to autoquests so that players can be rewarded with % learned on spells or skills(ofcourse we need Imms to create the quests). Kj and I are bantering about ideas for players and/or mobs teaching players skills or spells. Etc

Krom has returned-giving us a much needed boost. Ender has recently Immorted, another Immortal is on his way. Frito is doing awfully nice work so far. A strong Immortal presence will return. Hopefully this will help in all aspects of the game also.

Im off work next couple of weeks but i am one handed so Ill add what I can in this time…

Enjoy,

Splork

Thank you Splork!! :)

Fight the power!!!!

Im off work next couple of weeks but i am one handed so Ill add what I can in this time…

[/quote:q0p8h9ux]

What u do there Ricky?

Im off work next couple of weeks but i am one handed so Ill add what I can in this time…[/quote:2vi9zm88]

Translation: “I will be watching porn for two weeks straight so don’t expect any changes, assholes!”

Im off work next couple of weeks but i am one handed so Ill add what I can in this time…[/quote:22kxv4t8]

Translation: “I will be watching porn for two weeks straight so don’t expect any changes, assholes!”[/quote:22kxv4t8]

Translation: “I can’t hide in my vault anymore so I’ve resorted to trolling.”

Am I the only one who finds Lai’s avatar disproportionately sexy? Should I start to worry about myself?

Im off work next couple of weeks but i am one handed so Ill add what I can in this time…[/quote:2p08onlp]

Translation: “I will be watching porn for two weeks straight so don’t expect any changes, assholes!”[/quote:2p08onlp]

Translation: “I can’t hide in my vault anymore so I’ve resorted to trolling.”[/quote:2p08onlp]

Posts: 808

Funny you should mention trolling. At least this board isn’t my life.

Yeah… I post a lot. Maybe I should just imm and save a lot of time.

[12d -1n 0c 0b] Shapeshifter

[b:1d9z3lcq]wtf? a negative level?[/b:1d9z3lcq]

Couldn’t have happened to a better guy..

Actually, it’s a cheat code. A level -1 necromancer isn’t bound by the traditional constrants of the game. Spells have infinate duration, summoned undead can’t be killed, and you basically turn into a badass like Nemesis. Guinex should look into it.

[img:2y2w2uj3]http://www.xgenco.com/umbrellagiff.gif[/img:2y2w2uj3]

hmm… sounds crunchy

[b:r53i75gg]RAP BATTLE TIME[/color:r53i75gg][/size:r53i75gg][/b:r53i75gg]

Funky Dr. Dre beat

Yo yo

Check it check it

Derro is one ill cat with skills that will pound your grill flat faster than a sewer rat

When i get blunted I start seein’ dumb shit like noobs tryina sell their JJD’s for hundreds

Fuck bitches I ain’t got time to wine and dine

I’d rather spend my time gettin’ to 5 times 31 plus 9

Which means number one on who

What you say foo?

Bitch I’ll batter your face flatter than a fuckin dinner platter

Shapeshifter, just got my stable horse,

When I use nature’s force I enforce and leave your charmed mob nuthin’ but a grim corpse

Or as a necromancer, crimson scourge your ass til you develop colon cancer

Yeeuh yeeuh

Bal Harbor Represent

Word up

Beat ends

Your turn Bit.

You win.

We can all see someone has WAY too much time on their hands.

We can all see someone has WAY too much time on their hands.[/quote:26hgojw6]

I wrote it in the 5 mins that it took me to corpse out

The sad part is that you wrote it in the first place. You are officially more addicted to sloth than anyone else here.

*snicker…

and thats truly sad…

I do believe Autolycos is the best at the crier-fellatio. For someone who buys ornate scroll bags from me at 5% of market value you aren’t too supportive of your partner-in-crime.

Anyways, I think the deal behind this strong hatred for me clearly has to do with jealous of the facts that

a) I am a handsome Calvin Klein model

b) I have achieved internet-wide superstar celebrity status due to my

b1) handsome good looks

b2) razor-sharp, barbed wit

and finally my legendary

b3) Sexmachine status

c) I am popular with women and Bit is not

d) I had sex with Icequeen

e) Guinex only loves me and nobody else

But that was good shit dudes, 40 year old virgin nerds whose post-JJD-theft headbanging over the monitor wakes up their moms at night calling me sad. More comedy please.

Well, replying to all your inane little posts is a waste of time, so here’s what I’m going to do.

I promise not to touch this thread again today. You can say whatever you like in that time. If when I come back tomorrow you’ve said anything worth responding to, I’ll deal with that then. Otherwise, you can pretty much have this thread to yourself to paint up with your feces and such.

Try to have something clever to say in that time. You can do it! :)

I do believe Autolycos is the best at the crier-fellatio. For someone who buys ornate scroll bags from me at 5% of market value you aren’t too supportive of your partner-in-crime.

e) Guinex only loves me and nobody else [/quote:3a4637e6]

for your information,

i’ll buy just about anything from anyone.. hence PIRATE..
i really dont care about anything other then my own personal concerns and friends.
i am a grouchy hateful self centered bastard that mainly looks out for me
Guinex will never love you, because he loves Splork.
and finally, i treat everyone like shit. what makes you feel so damn special?

:evil:

d) I had sex with Icequeen

[/quote:3idcq0dv]

pardon? watch what you say, I take shit like that very personal.

quotes and interpretations from Autolycos or as I know him…Pops

for your information,

i’ll buy just about anything from anyone.. hence PIRATE..
i’m a softie for stolen goods and good lovin.. hence PECKERHEAD..
i really don’t care about anything other than my own personal concern and friends.
not exactly true cause the one night of passion we had.. well lets just say he got his but I didnt get mine :evil:
i am a grouchy hateful self centered bastard that mainly looks out for me
don’t forget quick on the draw reference to point #2
Guinex will never love you, because he loves Splork
Whose Splork?
and finally, i treat everyone like shit. what makes you feel so damn special?
well I am your baby’s mama and you don’t pay child support or bring us any food. deadbeat pirate :twisted:

quotes and interpretations from Autolycos or as I know him…Pops

well I am your baby's mama and you don't pay child support or bring us any food. deadbeat pirate :twisted:[/quote:3flxitqx]

*and people wonder why set sail the morning after goin out with you.. :shock:

Dearest Autolycos,

Now your’e just being silly :wink:

ps-stfu

me silly?

:oops: cackle Thank you Tinct….honestly, I had no idea what Ecko was talking about. HUGS

:roll: Uhmmmm….as a matter of fact, in this area Harlot is correct…you are silly Auto! :wink:

3 inches of PAIN

Werk it big boy!! :twisted:

add hellmaster to derro/shapeshifters list of chars

:roll: Uhmmmm….as a matter of fact, in this area Harlot is correct…you are silly Auto! :wink:[/quote:z62nnqbj]

Lai sweetie…

[i:z62nnqbj][b:z62nnqbj]STFU![/b:z62nnqbj][/i:z62nnqbj][/color:z62nnqbj][/size:z62nnqbj]

:twisted:

I cut my cock for shits and laughs,

I put dried shit back in my ass

I mangle my balls with a rose’s thorn

And search the web for kiddie porn

I take pictures of my own stretched ass

And cut off my nuts with broken glass

Yo-ho-ho

’tis a Pirate’s life for me!

An entire day and that’s the best you could come up with?

yeah, that was pretty pathetic…

maybe if he takes off a few weeks, he can think of something mildy amusing.

[quote:2n3o72s3]

I cut my cock for shits and laughs,

I put dried shit back in my ass

I mangle my balls with a rose’s thorn

And search the web for kiddie porn

I take pictures of my own stretched ass

And cut off my nuts with broken glass

Yo-ho-ho

’tis a Pirate’s life for me![/quote:2n3o72s3]

Everyone knows this is what i do with my spare time. :D

:shock:

Auto, darling……YOU CAN’T MAKE ME!!! :twisted:

cackle

Guiner…….WTF dude?!?! :P

:roll: pat pat

:shock:[/quote:3h06vlek]

exactly.

afk30 Icequeen just called

Fuggin hilarious is all i have to say

Blackguard / Jormungandr, I don’t know who the fark you are, but making completely false statements in public both here and ingame that you are fucking my Mrs is nasty, sadistic and sick. There is absolutely no reason for you to make such personal attacks, and you are fully aware of what kind of reaction you’re provoking with such disgusting and antagonistic statements, you pathetic, perverted little coward.

I really hope the immorts will do something about it because you are definitely ‘disrupting the harmony’ of slothmud to the point where people logoff (as mentioned earlier on this thread) or don’t even logon purely because of you.

I think you’re taking this the wrong way. Sex with me usually leads to revelations and is considered a privilege equal to being awarded a war medal among many (men included but I usually turn them down unless their name is Guinex) so I encourage everyone to tell their wives about me.

[quote:raduc2gr]I really hope the immorts will do something about it because you are definitely ‘disrupting the harmony’ of slothmud to the point where people logoff (as mentioned earlier on this thread) or don’t even logon purely because of you.[/quote:raduc2gr]

More lies, people have smartened up and I haven’t stolen worthwhile since my return because [b:raduc2gr]there’s nothing to steal except water barrels and iron rations[/b:raduc2gr]. I haven’t done any major “MUD disruptions” since that time I logged on and said “Hi” on gossip and this huge dragonmount group disbanded midfight cause all the female players recalled to follow me and beg me for cyber. Anyways, prots got fucked, a couple of big shot avatars died, lost their shit and swore revenge. I think Forest was one of them, that might explain why he likes to follow me around so much. But now that I have IceQueen there’s really no need to pimp the SlothMUD whores anymore so I guess this also means an unhappy ending for DISRUPTION OF HARMONY that you so desperately try to get me wiped for.

Haha dude log on again so I can listen to you cry and explain to me the rules of the internet where making fun of someone gets you sued for libel. That was awesome. You should be a comedian.

Sex you later,

Blackguard

I might be an asshole but at least I’m NOT this asshole. Gotta agree with my non-thieiving pc’s.. personally jest’s aside there is a line that shouldn’t be crossed. Doesn’t mean it won’t be but best thing is not to acknowledge such things. That said….

Autolycos is the worst dead-beat dad in the world. Those gold coins he sent were fake. Now I’m back in jail and this time I am innocent. If anyone see’s him,please kill his parrot. :evil:

heh, at least Harlot gives me a chuckle..

attacking a person direct is one thing, especially if all the scenarios are a farce, and known to be so.. ie: guinex would only be interested in shagging blackguard if he was dead and decaying with his skull hollowed out. (which doesn’t seem too far from the case already)

but a direct attack on someone not involved isn’t cool.. but the irony is.. i know that (if) icequeen cared enuff to comment, blackqueer would be singing lead saprano in the vienna boys chior. so shove that up your @$$ and spin!. :twisted:

chuckle indeed..

Anyone seen my rolling pin around? :twisted:

Autolycos panics and attempts to flee! :shock:

I would like to ask everyone to please tone this thread down, both in trems of content and language.

Wasp

Harlot was here

um….

scratches head :shock:

sigh

i can’t think of anything non-evil…… :evil:

shrug

To reconcile our differences I am hosting a party in my vault north of Bal Harbor. Forest and Autolycos will be performing as strippers. Splork is invited only if he puts a beer fountain in my room.

Rules:

Bring your own bitches (sorry boys this means Guinex is taken)

COME ONE COME ALL

A party? Let me see if I can remember how to get there…

North of BH, where you buy tickets. Go east. ‘pray nidhogg’ to get transferred inside!

That sounds about right?

Enough trolling.

Take this stuff off of the crier or I will start blocking accounts, IPs, etc.

Regards,

Clink

P.S. If you want to test me on what I consider trolling, you’ll be over the line.