I think it’s silly to assume ‘only maybe 3-4 people would play there’ but lets see.
I can only see this be an area of Clan vs Clan type of area. Who would
lead a group to pop an eq off a mob and for the team member to try and
kill each other afterwards to get the item?
If the eq is great, then it would be more of a group effort to get the items.
Currently DS, Dogs, and Priates have the largest number of people to
take down “almost” anything on Sloth. So what, once the eq is popped its
an all out clan war?
I would say let ppl fight in the arena or Dot/ET.
Having decent eq popping there could end up being the root of some tricky problems, no group can reasonably fight a good sized mob while simultaneously engaging other players.
Taking into account that Sloth’s players tend to be pretty considerate, we’d probably see unwritten etiquette springing up around cycling pvp-cont eq mobs in short order, which could kind of undermine the purpose of a pvp cont.
I honestly don’t know what kind of lure would be best to bring people to the cont, but imo eq pops would be more trouble than they’re worth.
Maybe it would be possible to have a small flow of xp/gold running onto a char as long as they’re on the cont, as long as there were no safe rooms, and the flow scaled up/down as there were more/less players on the cont, it might not end up being unbalanced. Some system would probably have to be devised to prevent people with no intention of killing each other standing around there though, maybe you get less and less the longer you go without fighting someone.
Another thought would be developing a “points” system for kills whereby the leaders could receive, say, a minor piece of questish eq for (and only for) the time that they were on top points-wise. Once again though, some kind of anti abuse would be needed.
Thinking people are going to be considerate in an no-holds barred continent is wishfull thinking. Take the concept of handing out quest eq after a quest, add the fact people can kill each other, shake well and serve.
Perhaps at first more than 3-4 would venture over there. After too many people get screwed by aggresive personalities that are able to feast on other players, you would most definately end up with 3-4 people bothering to set foot on it.
Mosaix
This is like saying. Iblis hits very hard and only 3-4 people in game need his eq, so lets not waste our time. The idea is good and if your a pussy, stay home. I would recommend that once you die, just like in the arena, your body is raised and transferred to a safe room. You cannot leave the safe room for 5 minutes. This alleviates anyone trying to exploit it killing mobs. The area could have temp eq and also some high end eq or forges. Again if you don’t like the area, stay on vk with your ultra n00bs.
Edit: A determined amount of xp would be lost on death.
Then again new disease madness could have whole continent affect. Can’t group and attack each other randomly on sight.If 2 clan members sit in seperate rooms and #3 busybody comes to continent, they would stand as much a chance of attacking each other as the new guy. :idea:
as i said in other thread, i’d say either limit group sizes on a pk cont, or just turn off grouping altogether while there.
I like Mikes idea of being raised in a safe room, with a timer to get out - I’d just add that any gold on you should drop when you are trans’d/raised. Would also suggest making xp from killing players highly dependant on relative levels - ie. avatar killing newbie gets 0 xps, avatar killing trip40 gets some xp, newbie (say lvl 30) killing a big avatar gets lots of (uncapped) xps.
Minstrel has the best idea, as usual :)
HAH.. this poll is almost meaningless with the options given, get real.
weasel, what’s your problem, just stay home you little bitch.
I’m expressing my opinion about the discussion at hand - that’s the basis of discussion. If you don’t like that, lick my balls. I realize I’ve been negative, and I just said as much on another thread, but that’s no reason to get personally abusive. You can’t seriously tell me the options in this poll are not clearly designed to skew the results though. How about the poll options were this:
PK continent - would you play there?
Yes, because I’m a pthief and I want to steal all ur eqz!
Yes, because I have a teeny tiny dick and need to pkill noobs to prove how much of a maaaan I am! Hoo-ah!
No, I dont have any inferiority issues about the size of my dick and thus have no need to pkill noobs and steal their eqz to prove how tough I am.
gee.. those options sound fair don’t they.. :roll:
Weasel must have been killed alot as a newb. :shock:. Regarding your reasons for going there, 1. im not a pthief, 2. well, I might be a dick, 3. I will go there bc it would be a challenge and fun. You obviously cant read either, they said that your dead body would be raised not that you would corpse and be plooted which wouldnt be the case even if you corpsed considering its against the rulez :roll:
So for your reasons you stated to go there, you dont like it? Don’t go, that wasnt hard.
You obviously cant read either, they said that your dead body would be raised not that you would corpse and be plooted which wouldnt be the case even if you corpsed considering its against the rulez :roll: [/quote:31gw8iip]
No, that was just one of many suggestions, so perhaps it is you who can’t read. Another suggestion was you got raised and recalled but your corpse stayed where it was, open to stealing via mob looting. Another suggestion way back on this or another thread suggested plooting and pthieving was ok. There are MANY different suggestions, not just the one you read most recently. :roll:
If this were to be a pure PVP area without pthieving, then no worries, it could be fun.. then again, how would it be any different from existing arenas, other than being bigger? Why not just expand the existing arenas in that case?
One of the original suggestions was that this be a kind of team arena, with the goal of getting another team’s flag or something like that, where pkilling was allowed, and you and your corpse get recalled and raised but stay in that recall room for X minutes.. this initial idea was kinda groovy, but of course some people suggested it would be better to be able to psteal and then add mobs to kill and then add new big eq.. and suddenly it sounded no different than existing continents but with pkilling and thieving allowed.. if you’d read everything, you’d know that.
I would say it should probably be 5x40 only, no-ones interested in camping for newbs dude. I want the wolves, not the sheep.
Either way Weasel, the point is plooting is against the rulez regardless. Unless the char is a pthief then thats a whole nother subject so your post is still invalid :roll:. I must say I agree with Aa if newbies want to go then sure they can go and get smoked gotta die to learn. Unless your hard-headed and just die and throw a fit. :twisted:
dumb.., you all saw how far the last tourney got…
as long as its !psteal i’m there.. but then again… i’ll be there anyway :twisted:
lmfao Brand… nod.. what a let down
it would be different because killing people would be legal.
i don’t think level restriction on the continent itself would be very fun. strict warnings before you go would probably be in order, and xp you get for a pk should be relative. makes it worthless to camp newbies, but the ballsy (or good) ones might be able to make some nice quick xp if they can come up with a crafty way to take out an avatar. if you make corpses recall at death (minus their gold, which drops for the winner) it still wouldn’t make sense to camp newbs, since they probably don’t have enough gold to be worth killing.
Of course, if you’re running an avatar, and don’t think you’d have a chance against someone with similar levels and eq, that’s your own damn fault for being a wuss ;)
Either way Weasel, the point is plooting is against the rulez regardless. Unless the char is a pthief then thats a whole nother subject so your post is still invalid [/quote:mizhkyfn]
Wha? Hey, the moon is made of cheese, therefore your post is invalid..
Im allowed to have an opinion Mike. If you think that makes me a pussy than thats also your opinion. I enjoy playing Osaka for what it is. I dont know why that has to be a negative.
Well…where do I start? :twisted:
Lets visit the arena Weasel then you can see im not worried about the killing newbs. :evil:
Lets visit the arena Weasel then you can see im not worried about the killing newbs. :evil:[/quote:1q427soq]
heh, thanks for proving my point. :twisted:
:roll: Calling yourself a newb now?
WTF is your problem now? Pull yer dick out of your mouth for a moment will ya?
I have already said a pvp / team vs. team area with pkilling included could be groovy, as long as it’s not abused as an excuse for stealing eq, which I believe some are pushing for. Personally, I’m not into pkilling - if I was, I’d join one of the multitude of muds already out there. I choose sloth because it’s mostly friendly, easy-going, and usually not full of a bunch of testosterone-hyped gimps who rely on a game to make up for their real-life inadequacies, so please just save the “let’s settle this in the arena” bullsh*t for someone else.
Yawn :cry: Almost got me!
In all honesty, its aggressive attitudes like this which causes the admin to be very skeptical of allowing a pk continent inside of SlothMUD. And when I play and pkill I am just as guilty as anyone.
We like our game to be friendly, period.
Splork
thank you.
Laugh now Weasel has won everything, till he corpses in Moria again :wink:
LOL.. bite me :twisted:
Game Over! :D
Thank you for your post Splork.
Broc/Mosaix
i’ll be here, sharpening my blade and waiting for you all inside the gates..
make peace with your gods.
Peace? What is this peace you speak of!? :twisted:
Possibly the best indicator of people’s desire for something like this has been the Chaos port. It’s been extremely fun each of the times it’s been opened, especially with 10-20 players instead of the 1v1 frequent in arena. Running it in DoT once had the added benefit of heavy-hitting aggros, and I don’t think anything bad was said about it. (Also, it was no-risk for those scared of getting pthiefed etc)
That said, CP has only been opened 4 times that I’m aware of, and it was enjoyable imo for different reasons than people support the PK cont for. It was fun because it was different and also temporary: see weekly forges, and also because it was run on a different server. You didn’t have to put your mindless cycling on hold, you just fought during your regen and cycled while you waited for it to restart.
That’s probably the biggest problem in my mind with the PK continent…you have to take time out to go to it.
Actually, there is something else similar (although not complete Chaos mode) in Demo Bowl, which hasn’t been run for some time, but there were blocking/proccing mobs in addition to pvp with the added benefit of being playing football at the same time.
Rather than seeing all the extra work done to put in a continent for this, I’d think it would be simpler/better and the excitement not wear off rapidly if demo bowl / chaos port were just run more often.
Jeez, gone for the weekend and all hell breaks loose.
Personally I’m leaning with the majority and say a pk cont would be great. There’s a certain cleric I need to even things up with. I totally enjoyed the one time I got in on the Chaos Port, even tho I was a 2x40 (maybe just barely 3x40) running with the tards. Think I even managed to take one person out, if not I know i hurt him bad before I got dead.
So I say throw up some warnings and rules signs and let them with the desire and cajones to play pvp be able to.
P.S. — And its not like theres any permanant loss besides some exps, would be just getting stabbed in the face by Auto for saying he can be a nice guy on occasion.
Taunt :wink:
9 is more than 11? who knew? :)
I don’t know why people don’t go into the arena to fight, I don’t see this happen very often anyway. And if someone wants a pkill continent, where are the people stepping up to build one? I wouldn’t have a problem with a pk continent, but don’t create eq and spellbooks that make people go to the continent to get it.
If you want to make a pkill continent, make it with no high end or good eq. I’d go there, as long as I wouldn’t lose exp or levels. But I don’t want to go there on a day I just don’t feel like being messed with trying to pop a piece of eq I need and some smuck comes along thinking fair game and just ruins my day. That’s my only reason for not putting high end eq on it.
Another thing is, there would have to be strict rules on shittalkin. Cuz you know people are gonna want to, and that leads to arguing, which leads to people getting their panties in a bind.
I have no problem with a pkill continent, but I just see imms having too many headaches after it’s put in. And it seems like it would be a lot of work just to make.
I wouldn’t be against it, I’m just saying I think it would be a bad idea for sloth.
-Brad
[quote:1rsura5c]And if someone wants a pkill continent, where are the people stepping up to build one? [/quote:1rsura5c]
I started on it with Jake’s approval in about 1998 or 1999. Characters were going to have to start and stay there for their whole lives. That was the plan
at the time anyway. And I’ll be happy to step in the arena with either Yinao the cleric or Yinao the pizza bird. The main thing about the detractors’ statements is that no-one would be forced to take part in this. Just like Valk,
you would not need to step foot on there. I’m sure if there ended up being some sort of perk you would here the crybabies crying that the adventurous
players benefitted more, yet isn’t that always the truth, regardless of continent?
Start there and stay there, I love that idea. I’d love to start a new char on a pkill continent….
…heh heh heh huh heh heh huh…. that was cool.
Well, now that there’s a builder port, why don’t you ask to get it started again? Because if a char can start there, and have to stay there, I think that idea would be more ideal.
-Brad
9 is more than 11? who knew? :)[/quote:2xitgxf7]
Well my fine furry friend, when I made that post, I was referring to the number of people commenting favorably in posts, not the poll. I hadn’t voted in the poll yet, so I couldn’t see the current results.
Now be nice or I’ll steal your corms. :P
Start there and stay there, I love that idea. I’d love to start a new char on a pkill continent….
…heh heh heh huh heh heh huh…. that was cool.
Well, now that there’s a builder port, why don’t you ask to get it started again? Because if a char can start there, and have to stay there, I think that idea would be more ideal.
-Brad[/quote:2s39s360]
we should build a continent just for brad’s characters :)
And I’ll be happy to step in the arena with either Yinao the cleric or Yinao the pizza bird.[/quote:kmbicvl7]
If you think I pvp in piasa you may not know pvp as well as you think you do. :wink:
ferret > piasa
If you think I pvp in piasa you may not know pvp as well as you think you do. :wink:[/quote:ykznd5of]
Yinaos arena mode
Yawn That post was something I expected from Weasel or something maybe even Tap.
Bugger off! I come up with better insults in my sleep.
Wanker! :twisted:
I said either or dork.
there’s a HUGE difference in 1-on-1 pvp arena-style and open PK, in areas, with mob, trigtraps, etc, where knowledge of multiple areas and tricks can trump well-written scripts. If you’ve ever fought in a tourney and run on chaos port, you know the difference. Arenas are cool, don’t get me wrong, even if the people who talk the most shit tend to be the ones who wouldn’t be caught dead near one, so they kinda lose their usefulness (heh, some way to force people to fight duels might be fun, at that - can’t rent with a challenge upon you or something.. but I digress).
I agree it could in theory wind up being way more work for the imms, and there are definitely sensitive types who’d wind up getting their panties in a bunch for one reason or another, but yeah, it’s not like anyone would be forced to go there, so the possible embarrassment of losing to someone 1/4 your size can be avoided. Making it kind of like valk, with chars unable to leave (or maybe, you get the option to move once in your chars life - you can leave at some point, but you can’t go back - and having the one-time option to move an existing char there) and (hopefully) making better use of temp eq than Valk has - there’s some really nice stuff there that I almost never see used.
Just my 2cents.
It seems like someone become bored w/o pthiefing and want to pkill some noobs. We have DoT and ET for pkill - why don’t you get clannies and/or other ‘brave followers’ there for Legendary Slothwide Pkill Tournament 2007? You could stake your quest eq if you are ready for real challenge.
Cheers. :P
Edd aka Kida
What is this about pkilling noobs? For the last time it is ILLEGAL to pkill people on Slothmud. I CAN do it now, almost anyone can, but you suffer repercussions. What we want is a fast-paced dangerous zone where it is
LEGAL to kill people. If pkilling were legal we would see a a larger sense of accountability in the trash talking. Just like in real life, if someone comes up
and starts talking shit, you hit ’em in the lip.
You can kill me, if I don’t mind :P
Well, at least if me and you want to fight we can do it in ET and DoT. We even could fight in BH city if we both have a will to do it.
I doubt any imm would wipe you if you killed me but I don’t whine about it.
That’s what I tried to say. Sorry my french is awful :P
p.s. You can kill people in RL. And probably you will think it’s LEGAL. All you have to do is just enlist in army and go to Iraq.. or Chechnya.
Vixin made an excellent post, thank you.
Ante up the quest eq.
I think my issue with this concept of the continent is not the actual idea. Or even an Autolycos style player stabbing me into oblivion. Its all fun and a game up to that point. Its the few jerks that will use it to further vent their real llife short end of the sticks issues out on other players. And also further hogging more eq. Call it whatever positive word you might like to use to defend the actions. In a group based mud, its selfish behavior that really doesnt need to be there. Some of you do ruin the enjoyment of the game for the rest of the player base by your unecessary words and actions.
Some of you have multiple pieces of quest eq that you use, and in some cases vault and dont know what to do with. Most of the mud has no quest eq. And while you might have earned it, the “crybabies” you so often trash perhaps are tired of seeing the same small batch of people reap all the awards. Thus building a super reward continent just for you few, really doesnt pose much interest to the rest of the mud as a whole.
Im not going to argue about who deserves what awards, good educated player or bad player. Id just sooner see the immortals of sloth work on concepts that benefit the mud as a whole. Rather than a few bored out of their minds, cant pthief to get a rush, should have gone on to play another game players.
There are pk muds, if its so urgent to play in this style go take a challenge and play another mud if this one is so boring.
Chaos port, Chaos nights, ET, DOT, are established pk environments. If you want more, you should be paying a steep price to see it happen.
Not calling players pussies on the crier to get your way. If your so smart choose better language to negotiate your point.
Mosaix
haha
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PVP - Sure, I enjoy fighing pvp in arenas and during chaos nights. It’s fun, but it’s the novelty that draws my attention. We aren’t usually rewarded or punished for winning or losing in the arena’s, and players don’t typically get pissed off or frustrated if they are killed on a chaos night.
I had a lot of discussion points to introduce, but it comes down to the fact that I have difficulty imagining how a pvp continent will draw players. The best argument I can provide is that Splork gossiped last night to see if there was any interest in a chaos event. We had 45 or 50 players online, and he didn’t run the chaos due to lack of interest. I’m sure a pvp event can be fun and successful if it’s a planned and scheduled event, but on a random night I’m sure noone would visit a pvp continent as it’s been described so far.
[quote:ms8fnhke]p.s. You can kill people in RL. And probably you will think it’s LEGAL. All you have to do is just enlist in army and go to Iraq[/quote:ms8fnhke]
What kind of B.S. is this? Maybe I should turn myself into an illegal mexican and cross the border and kill someone. Idiot. :x
Make that illegal alien who happens to be of Mexican persuasion. Most amigo’s are actually decent people stuck in a bad situation. So not grouping those with the a$$holes who are the true criminals.
Someone mentioned starting on the continent never to leave. I like this. This way nobody can complain about a higher level char coming to kill noobs. The main problem is that few people will want to write areas for this continent.
Why not play the pk continent as a challenge and not as a frustration? Why get upset over a game? You would be surprised of the environment a pk continent would create. Anti-pks would form clans to stop the horrible pks. Assholes would be just begging to get killed. Even the average scrub could get some kills in. If there is no corpse looting or eq loss then death is no biggie. Even xp loss isn’t that harsh. As far as trash talking goes, gimme a break. Losers will whine and send tells, you simply go notell and chuckle while they sit out for 5 min.
Mike
P.S. No reason to get so upset.
A lot of these folks don’t have any experience with how this shit really plays out in a game. Mike has the right of it.
So much enthusiasm is a good thing.. perhaps channel that enthusiasm into increasing the player base, and then it might be more practical to dedicate an area or even continent to pvp. ..I’ll always be anti-pthieving though.
Why :?:
When players are calling other players pussies, crybabies and loosers, what are they supposed to do? Be happy about it? Of course they get angry. And over what, expressing an opinion, and writing some words.
Do you guys choosing to use middle school language talk like that to people in real life? How the hell do you hold jobs, or handle day to day work and interaction with others?
You cant react towards others in that fashion, in a public setting, and expect them not to react poorly back to you. How stupid is that?
Broc
You people always die and get looted on hard mobs with high class eq. But still whine about pk continent, that is just bit more challenging - you can get killed by a player too.
Personallly, I think PK cont could be good idea, to make something different for a game. In a ways it can attract new players or bring back retired ones. No corpsing fit very well for that continent, could be nice to removing ‘dead condition’ too, players simply go in the room they cant leave for some ticks right after getting killed.
Some overrated temp eq might be fun as well for that cont. Remember holy grenade or Celestial set items? Of course with no vaults allowed there to stock em up :) Come on, why you people so against it, just dont go there if you dont like it. There are plenty non-pk areas in sloth where you dont go just because, and chaos areas like ET and DoT that are extremely popular.
Truth, greedy little teapot.
OK, please get one thing straight. I for one was against this idea not so much because of pkilling, but because of pthieving, and partly now because of the animosity it is creating. I and others have mentioned this more than once, but it keeps getting ignored and we keep getting called pussies or other infantile names. It is because of this reaction that we / I am realizing that this idea is going to create even more of the same treatment, and start taking away the enjoyment of the friendly atmosphere that has been sloth up to now.
Who facking cares how I choose to play, as long as in doing so, I do not adversely affect the enjoyment of others? This pk continent idea alone is creating animosity, and abuse for things that weren’t even at issue had some bothered to read before throwing names around. My issue has always been that certain people have from the start wanted a pvp + pthieving area, and it’s freaking obvious that their motivation was not the idea of pvp. That was my major objection.
On the side, mobs looting don’t junk eq or pass stolen eq to another player or sell it or ransom it or run off to safe areas or vault or rent. 99% of the time you can get your looted eq back from a mob, no so with a pthief.
Once again for the hard of hearing, IF there were no pthieving / looting, then I’m not anywhere near as opposed to this idea, although that view is rapidly changing because of the namecalling this is already creating.
Try to keep this a discussion and cut the schoolyard names. please.
Why :?:
why what?
Exactly my point. :roll:
you have no point. :roll:
I’m pointing at ewe :P
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heh.. yeah ok, nobody cares.
Don’t know why I always get sucked into these ‘discussions’.
[quote:3js4um73]Who facking cares how I choose to play[/quote:3js4um73]
Now turn that around, and shut up. It was stupid to assume that pthieving
would magically appear there, and you have drug [i:3js4um73]yourself[/i:3js4um73] into this
conversation. A simple, “I would not enjoy playing on this continent.” would
do.
Broc I really wish you would take your opinions and join the Pirates who
have extrended you an invitation to join their clan. You stole from the vault twice, you tried to ‘sell’ mustang and his eq, neither of which were yours,
you just NOW sold Stelios to Brad which also wasn’t yours. You cry about
quest eq instead of being proactive about it. You obviously have serious
issues with me, the guy who started the Dogs of War, so please just leave.
We are tired of your attitude. You whine constantly and contribute very very
little. Kind of the opposite of Blastem, whom I would love to see return.
[quote:1ldme965]Who facking cares how I choose to play[/quote:1ldme965]
Now turn that around, and shut up. It was stupid to assume that pthieving would magically appear there, and you have drug [i:1ldme965]yourself[/i:1ldme965] into this conversation. A simple, “I would not enjoy playing on this continent.” would do. [/quote:1ldme965]
Taken out of context yet again. The entire sentence was:
“Who facking cares how I choose to play, as long as in doing so, I do not adversely affect the enjoyment of others?”
Big difference, so why don’t you practice what you preach and shut up yourself.. sheesh. The original argument was about a pvp AND pthief continent, which is where I objected - how many times do I need to clarify that? I made a suggestion earlier which you (I think it was you) actually repeated later, re nolooting etc.
Regardless, who the f*** are you to tell me when I should or should not express my opinion, particularly when you follow that up with expressing your opinion of someone else, be it valid or not, which is not even related to the subject?
Don’t pull me back in to the ‘discussion’ with inflammatory comments, and maybe you’ll get your wish.
are we all reading the same thread here? I’m confused. No-one has suggested allowing pthieving (actually i think Weasel was the only one to bring it up) although to be fair, if you lose a fight pvp, it’s not really pthieving now, is it? I mean, you lost a fight in an area you went to voluntarily, it’s not like you where lazy and got caught out with some eq in the open. I see some people coming up with some decent suggestions (none of which involved implementing, or even suggesting, pthieves), and some people saying oh noes! a voluntary area I’d never have to set foot in, pthieves oh my!
It’s not like we’re talking about making Olympus pvp so you’d be safe anyways.
Weasel yer being obtuse.
This is your quote: “Who facking cares how I choose to play, as long as in doing so, I do not adversely affect the enjoyment of others?”
My point is this: If you do not choose to go on the PK continent, then why do
you care how I choose to play on that coninent? Basically the same thing
you have been saying. No-one would be forced to do anything.
Broc:
[quote:1c5qq4y0]When players are calling other players pussies, crybabies and loosers, what are they supposed to do? [/quote:1c5qq4y0]
They are supposed to quit being pussies and crybabies. Duh.
I dont even know where to begin with you Aaron.
Over the past few years Ive tried to talk to you in private, ive tried talking to Mike. The crier seems to be the only thing you respond to.
Ive had Stelios for 2 years. At the time I was given the password he said have fun i dont play anymore. If the person that gave me the password didnt want me to use it or sell it, they shouldnt have given me the password 2 years ago.
I took a piece of your eq from the vault, cause you stole a piece of mine.
One piece, not 2. In general you are known for making things dissapear from vaults, which is part of the reason why i built my own vault on BH.
Albert gave me the password for Mustang, which you and Mike said you needed back for the clan, which I then gave you the character back. You then sold the char yourself. I dont know who has Mustang now, but im sure if you asked him hed remember you selling it to him.
Since 1994 ive done pleanty to earn the one piece of quest eq I did get. Most of my time on Sloth 3 has been as a Cleric prime, which makes it not easy to attain quest eq. I will take your advice Aaron and start to try to lead groups, so perhaps the next time a quest group rolls around I can lead one properly.
I have contributed to DoW as a group member, and whether I move on or not it doesnt stop the fact you are a jerk. What has made it difficult is everyone else in DoW is a stand up character, I enjoy playing with them, and them as a whole. Everyone else can log on and have fun. Its just you that ruins the fun for me. DoW is more than just you. Whether you started it or not.
My dissapointment with you, just You, not DoW, just YOU starts from the case of beer I bought you, and you not living up to your end of the deal. You ripped me off. I keep getting told, well thats just Aaron. Aaron forgets. In general your attitdue, not DoW’s, YOUR attitude sucks. You constantly try to push your thumb down on others.
I think you expect everyone to respect you, even while you put people down. Respect has to be earned, everyone knows that.
Of course your slate is not clean, and most everyone would know this. I think the pinacle move for you lately was to try to add Poolp/Malorne to the clan.
As a leader and a creator of a clan, suggensting to add Poolp/Malorne, the most aggressive/best pthief of the recent era to this DoW clan says everything anyone would need to know about you. I realise Poolp/Malorne has sold you stolen eq and you benefitted from it, so you owe him one. But really says a lot about what you are trying to do with the DoW clan. Your vision for the clan perhaps.
When I did go out to So. Illinoi to visit, you generally seemed to be a cool guy in person. When you enter sloth, somtimes you are cool, and other times you cant resist being a giant jerk. Try to go for the cool guy, because after everything ive written here, that is fun to game with. No-one likes to game with an a-hole.
Broc
You spliced, cut, and put back together what I wrote. Very creative.
No, I’m not ‘known for making eq disappear from a vault’. You must be confused. You did not ‘give’ mustang back, I had to buy him back.
Malorne asked to join the clan and I merely posted that he was interested
and asked everyone else’s opinion. That’s generally how it should be done.
Everyone responded negatively so he didn’t join. As far as being a cleric prime goes you cut your hand off then started complaining that you
only have this one little shitty hand. It would be GREAT if you would ever say
exactly what it was I was supposed to owe you. The way I recall it was that
you needed a healbonus gem and a helm of the dwarves and some [i:3ktncum2]help[/i:3ktncum2]
cycling for carbos or something like that. I gave you the hat and gem before
the beer was even purchased. You like to bring up this mysterious piece of
eq I owe you, but strangely it doesn’t have a name or stats. Hrm. I recruited you and you were a pthief too, Al used to be a pthief, I used to be a
pthief, Eric used to be a pthief too. The strange thing about that is that to be a successful pthief you need
to be smart and know about the mud. That’s what I’m interested in. I have
never been afraid to get my hands dirty and that’s no secret. I am a nice guy, I just refuse to take any shit. I am outspoken and frequently very
mercurial. I require a lot of my friends but I am willing to give them the
shirt off my back too, literally, ask mike or brad about the last DoW meeting :) There is no ‘if you decide to stick it out’, the cord will be cut
one way or another, that’s a guarantee.
I think Weasel is also Tap. :twisted:
Weasel is gets.
Geez Aaron
As I have told Mike before, have the whole clan vote, and ill accept the results. I have no problem being out of a clan, or in another clan. Ill still log in and have fun playing this game as I have for 13 years.
DoW as a group is enjoyable, you are not when you act out.
You didnt boot Al for teeing off on Brad to the point where he wouldnt log on. So you make things personal, I get it. Has nothing to do with the conept of the problem of 2 people not getting along. Ive asked many times over many years to resolve this. That this is blowing up again lately is a result of you continuing to ignore and blow off the prime issue.
I also feel special that Poolp is a worthy addition to DoW in YOUR eyes, and somehow I am worthless in all aspects. Thats impressive.
What happend to forgive and forget as you speak of?
If I did steal from your vault, wouldnt that impress you? We could relate to each other.
Dont give your passwords out, so others dont give your chars away to people you hate.
Yes Mustang was bartered back for a Staff of Warlocks. Pretty cheap consdiering the power of the char. I still enjoy the importance of getting Mustang back for the “clan” tank, then you sold it for your own profit anyway.
The last time we actually spoke, and worked out our differenes about the eq, you promised a set of Iolite comps. First you couldnt find your key for your vault, someone else had it. Then after some more reminders you had no idea what I was talking about.
The original deal was the helm, and shard which you did deliver. You were then supposed to collect and build Obsidian sleeves, and finish my Ars Magica. With the sleeves you said at the time damn i just sold those on Mullah. Time went by and it got forgotten.
I told Mike the last time you and I both blew up, Id settle for 2 flaming serpent rings and leave it alone. Either you didnt hear about it, or blew it off. I post the challenge to you to fufill your debts.
Ill NEVER bother you again for 2 flaming serpent rings. The value of that deal is there. I get an old debt settled, and will stop bothering you which you would like, and you get to pay your debts.
I have told you and told you, and again the only time you remember anything is on this crier. I am impressed you remembered the 1st 2 items.
You are correct I did cut my hand off by making a cleric prime. I would make another char, and have started to build one. However between a day job, music gigs at night, and practicing to get a bigger music job it makes it impossible to take the time to mud up a new 40 avatar char. So it is my fault for building what I did originally. At the time Monk, necro, druid, and bard didnt exist. Hes old and I know it. At the moment I cant do much about it. I dont have time.
I really dont want to argue with you, id sooner not deal with the headache. Pay your debts.
Broc
edited for resolution
[13:05] Aa: hey crybaby whats up
[13:06] Mosaix: just cryin and you ? :)
[13:06] Aa: busy bullyin folks
[13:06] Aa: ill make you some sleeves
[13:06] Aa: what ars cps do you need
[13:06] Aa: i have a few vaulted, none of the island shit tho
[13:06] Aa: just the ah stuff
[13:06] Mosaix: ars is done, built it myself, sleeves is outdaed unfortunately, i use the sleeves of lauging rogue
[13:06] Aa: great ok
[13:07] Aa: so rofs are nowhere near the same value
[13:07] Aa: lets come to some sort of understanding on this debt so it can be done
[13:07] Mosaix: rings are about 15-20 mil a piece
[13:07] Mosaix: how bout 1 ring and a handshake
[13:07] Aa: i have never seen anyone actually sell them
[13:07] Aa: alright
[13:07] Mosaix: i tried to buy one on auction with a WTB
[13:07] Aa: are you able to get on sloth
[13:08] Mosaix: im at work but am online talking to al about massoulette autoquest
[13:08] Aa: ok
[13:09] Mosaix: i do very much appreciate it
[13:09] Aa: well this is fucked up on both our behalves i think
[13:09] Mosaix: i agree
[13:09] Aa: i dont know if plural of behalf is behalves :)
[13:09] Mosaix: im at equal fault
[13:09] Mosaix: i get loud, and usually regret the issue later
[13:09] Aa: i know that im frequently given to emotional outbursts
[13:10] Mosaix: problem is i dont usually get loud, so when i do, hard for me to let it go
[13:10] Aa: see i yell about shit then assume its done
[13:10] Mosaix: so what you wanna do
[13:10] Aa: becauyse i yell all the time
[13:10] Aa: well honestly aside from all this crier bullshit i like as a dude
[13:10] Aa: like you*
[13:10] Mosaix: likewise
[13:10] Mosaix: ill tell ya what
[13:10] Aa: irs hard to back down and admit my faults on a public forum tho
[13:11] Mosaix: as cliche as it is, just start over with the public and private.
ill chill out, if likewise blah blah
[13:11] Mosaix: no doubt, same
[13:12] Aa: sounds like the way a couple adults might handle something
[13:12] Aa: new ground for me
[13:12] Mosaix: i can be an adult i swear
[13:12] Aa: ya me too
[13:12] Aa: as long as your quest eq and my pkilling arent threatened were great guys
[13:13] Aa: im going to post the log of this for the public
[13:13] Mosaix: it is my own fault about the quest eq, cleric prime is diffiucult, but the drachma they hand out now because people like me bitch does help both me and those leading tanking
[13:13] Mosaix: heh as you please :)
[13:14] Aa: quest eq is strictly buddy system
[13:14] Aa: for sure
[13:14] Aa: it has always been fucked like that
[13:14] Mosaix: well this is understood, trying to buck the system is the right of the “lowbie” :)
[13:14] Aa: i think they should assign drachma value to every piece and let them randonmly rotate in and out
[13:15] Aa: and then only hand out drachma
[13:15] Aa: but by the ton
[13:15] Mosaix: id really like it if drachma was what was awarded, bonus for those doing more work, and you either beef up/rotate the drachma shop eq, or create taht all-carte shop they keep talking about
I hate it when you guys go off topic. 8)
Let’s bring it home shall we? Splork was on the right vein when he spoke of the headaches and anomosity in dealing with Pk area/conti. A couple of
I could see an area that could be sailed to from one of the main continents. Upon arrival, 4-5 rooms could be set aside not unlike ‘peace rooms’ while while regened up, filled supplies etc etc…
A Questmaster like the one in arena, could be placed at the enter/exit gate. Now his job would to announce that 3-5 minutes before battle starts. This could be in yell/holler channel to keep gossip channel free. At this time, other particpants could ‘follow up’. The exit gate would be open for anyone wishing to go ahead and enter and stake out an area.At the conclusion of the countdown, the Questmaster could group teleport everyone in room dropping them in random rooms. Upon one dying, they would be ‘recalled and restored’ at Questmaster and could wait for the next round. They would be unable to re-enter arena until time was over.
There are other rules/flags that should go into affect as well. No doubt it will require tinkering, but it basically resolves any pthieving issue that someone/anyone might have and also allow anyone who wanted to join in to do so without regret. Not sure if MOB’s would be necessary. I think death-traps would be kinda cool. Throw someone to their death…into a pool of acid etc etc would be nice kill.
Prize,
Not sure if any prizes would be necessary as area was fleshed out. Maybe, a board with winners to start with for style points, after that who knows.. maybe some ingame betting from people wishing to offer up eq/coins from their personal stash.
are we all reading the same thread here? I’m confused. No-one has suggested allowing pthieving (actually i think Weasel was the only one to bring it up) [/quote:1p5abgdj]
Yeah right. It would’ve been from the original thread, which started way before this vote thread was created, as you well know since you were the one who created this ‘vote’ thread in the first place, ffs.. nice try, but no cigar.
I always seem to regret getting involved with anything here, and nearly every time it’s the same people who make me regret it - and this latest sh*t just reinforces that. I’ll go back to sticking to myself and not letting some asshat get in the way of my actually enjoying a bit of ’time out’ from an otherwise overly full schedule irl.
There are a lot of good people here too, so don’t take my comments the wrong way if you’re one of them.
Let’s bring it home shall we? Splork was on the right vein when he spoke of the headaches and anomosity in dealing with Pk area/conti. A couple of
BWAHAHAHA! Pot, kettle, black. Some of us have not forgotten who you are Tap. BTW grats, you’ve played 13 and a few others admirably. heh. :wink:
please find where someone said there would be pthieving there weasel
not including you
its part of the mud
thieving is turned off on our mud
period
Probably was Tap, and if it’s not there now then probably been edited out - I sure as sh*t ain’t plowing through all that thread again just to prove a point to you, and I’ve had enough of this anyway - as I said, best just to not get involved and hope some prat doesn’t make changes to sloth for their own benefit.
I was including the original thread in my statement. I’ve been following both. I still don’t see anyone saying that pk cont should include pthieving.
no reason to back up what you say weasel, im sure thats how you got your degrees bud
[quote:3lwns5m8]Probably was Tap,[/quote:3lwns5m8]
Yes, prob was me..yet other’s as well as I have posted how area could be run so that pthieven [b:3lwns5m8][i:3lwns5m8][u:3lwns5m8]WAS NOT[/size:3lwns5m8][/color:3lwns5m8][/b:3lwns5m8][/u:3lwns5m8] a factor.Any who..
Area should obviously be no-recall and I think non-scroll in general. Would give a great upper hand if higher up went around moldy-webbing the <40’s for later killing. No one would like being stuck 5-10 minutes waiting to be picked off.
Also, area could have 2 types.. at questmaster you could type challenge 15 or challenge 30 for the timer to be set at either 15/30 minutes respectively.
If 2 more more are alive at end of time, then it would be a draw which would speed up battle.
Thinking also, area could be neg regen. Obviously, the lower levels will suffer a small penalty but perhaps the higher levels will suffer a greater penalty. They use all their blasting power at once..there will be consequences.
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no reason to back up what you say weasel, im sure thats how you got your degrees bud[/quote:12065ujp]
Wow, do you always have to revert to personal attacks? I earn my degrees by working and studying damn hard, and I’m proud of that, particularly as an adult student, so don’t you dare suggest otherwise.
Sheesh what a wanker.
:evil:
[quote:1x4onri4]Sheesh what a wanker. [/quote:1x4onri4]
Told you I was him. :twisted:
Quite possibly, a bunch of perm valkers would like to duel it out.
Just make it 5x40.
Truth, greedy little teapot.
All I can say is, how very interesting this thread has been to read up on after a few days away. Entertaining, dramatic, I give it a daytime Emmy award for best daytime dramatic series / soap opera.
I can’t say that a PK cont will be anything I’ll be building.
Aka
You can’t or you won’t? :twisted:
I find it absolutely hysterical that you guys are arguing so viciously about something that no Immort is planning on putting in, ever.
Am I for a PK area/island or against a PK area/island? It doesn’t matter, its not going to happen!
:wink:
fuck you deju its going in !!!!
Do I need to call anyone else a pussy? Or we done with round 1?
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Besides Weasel admitting he’s into animal porn. All I have heard is that certain IMM’s are hesitant about a pk continent/arean area. Hrm.. perhaps a third port could be opened up for those who wanted to tourney/pk. I’m sure some are resitant for a test run, but more positives than negatives would occur in suh an area.Oh, did I mention Weasel was into animal porn? :twisted:
That’s an interesting conclusion that you draw. Still, my interpretation of the poll results would indicate that the current arenas and chaos areas are sufficient.
I’m sure there are reasons noone uses the existing arenas. If we don’t understand those reasons, we risk repeating them as we introduce new arenas.
And yet another drawn conclusion :wink:
[quote:ul0iebyl]
I’m sure there are reasons noone uses the existing arenas. If we don’t understand those reasons, we risk repeating them as we introduce new arenas.[/quote:ul0iebyl]
Add 20-25+ rooms,throw in some triptraps and some wandering mid-level aggro’s and keep it easy for all levels to gain access. That will do the trick.
8)
I’m pretty sure there is a DoW forum I had access to at some point.
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LMFAO!! i love it… :twisted:
[quote:x04001oh]I’m pretty sure there is a DoW forum I had access to at some point. [/quote:x04001oh]
sure there is