You missed these:
Pair of Heavy Gloves None None -0.2 +2 Hand Damage NMo
These at 2 make brass knuckles worthless.
Please consider bumping the items you nerfed back up to 3.
damn, I’m starting to sound like a necro (except I’ll stop here unless something is specifcally addressed to me)
As usual Splork doesn’t think things through before he changes things. 5 hand dam to 2 hand dam nerf is just plain STUPID. He is trying to RUIN the monk class just as he is trying to with Necromancer. He’s made monks very unenjoyable to play now. Lol, and he thinks he is making the game better.
Melanthe
Hopefully Melanthe doesnt make a bard, I dont want Minstrel to get nerfed too. :(
As usual Splork doesn’t think things through before he changes things. 5 hand dam to 2 hand dam nerf is just plain STUPID. He is trying to RUIN the monk class just as he is trying to with Necromancer. He’s made monks very unenjoyable to play now. Lol, and he thinks he is making the game better.
Melanthe[/quote:2hrfpdgs]
With the exception of the Gauntlets of Thunder, there’s very few who have any of the +5 items. I think Nab is one of the few that might have the quest ones, so he might be upset.
Also, I think the Elegant Leather Gloves are +3 handdam.
Since you’re calling this a stupid nerf, how about providing an actual reason it’s stupid? How are they unenjoyable to play now? How are you doing anything besides trolling?
Cause I had Aura of Pride and Gaunlets of Thunder? Cause I was going to Shield of the South Ice in a few weeks? No, I am not TROLLING, I am quitting the game because idiots like Splork ruin it. I was already at 22 hand dam and would of been 29 hand dam in 2 weeks. Now I won’t have enough hand dam to even kill a pronghorn or nymph follower with a grip. (Note: I am not calling it splork, cause he doesn’t deserve the credit).
He was quite rude to me today also, just like he is to everyone all the time.
Melanthe
nevermind…..
I don’t hate you Akasha. I don’t hate anyone. And what you just told me, disregarding the insults, doesnt’ cahnge the fact that monks are lame now.
blah, those items were overpowered. some of them still are.
monks should just be happy they have more dmg slots open than
thiefs, what a crock!! lets see some +dmg shields!
Thieves have much larger dmg multipliers than monks. So don’t ya think it makes sense?
.. monk was the last to be tweaked. [/quote:16f9m41a]
For some reason, I find this VERY hard to believe. I am gonna go with a mud or mmorpg that is stable. Where I can develop a character, without having the rug pulled out from underneath me. I am not going to waste my time developing another character here only to be disappointed by retarded changes.
Also going to play a mud where immortals don’t insult you and call you names in tells.
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don’t let the door hit you in the ass
I think it there was rather not balanced decision.
Even little bit not clear - to enter into game in addition Aura of Pride and subsequently to cut off all handdam item?
And to make it for all monks, without the analysis. hmm.
Also going to play a mud where immortals don’t insult you and call you names in tells.[/quote:1vexflpm]
Your response to this is purely emotional and I am replying to this for anyone who may have missed this point. This was a group admin decision to correct a mistake we made by allowing +5 hand damage items in the first place. Splork may have speerheaded the effort, but we all back him up.
As I told Melanthe in tells: Our goal is to make the game fun and challenging at the same time. We strive for these changes to be positive (allowing for mistakes to be made along the way). We are sorry we made this mistake. We will make more mistakes in the future, but will try to correct them. The only constant with this game is change as long as we are around.
Now if I could only find a mud where the mortals don’t insult you and call you names in public, that would surely be unique…
Peace,
Clink
There was a brief time when my deathtouch did more damage than a firewind. It was kind of nice to have a useful offensive skill – even though it had a large miss chance and lagged twice as much as casting a spell.
I do have to agree with the immorts on this one; the aura of pride was rather silly. It’s still better than a 5x40 light. I’m currently working on getting rid of all my handdam gear and popping myself a weapon. Maybe I’ll see if damage reduction is any good… there must be still be some good things about being a monk.
Have played a Monk, I think the Gaults of Thunder should be +3 hand. U
r using a +3 dam gloves and plus a bunch of other comps to have it proc.
Why make it do less damage?
Also if the “free” gloves as a newbie is set to +2 hand, why change higher
eq to only +2 for hands? Also doesn’t make sense. Like what 12345 said,
the other +3 hand would be off the cleric in A.Forest.
Also thiefs has a higher dam stab, and also 1 round less lag.
With these changes, you should at least make monk have the same lag time
as a thief now.
would this be before or after you give thieves the ability to stab ether mobs and counterattack?
Lol splork what ethers? With these hand dam changes a monk can barely splork a ferret. Also only prime monks can wraithtouch/kensei remember? You are a dork. And if you want Counterattack, put a monk anywhere in your classo.
Why not leave the equipment the way it is and just publish the cap? That way a person can choose to use a few high level pieces for a hand damage bonus, and use the other slots for their other classos. You wouldn’t have to update the equipment list either.
If you decided to stick with the changes the way they are now you may want to do something about the gloves. Heavy Brass Knuckles don’t seem to be worth the effort to pop anymore. Plus two of the (now) best gloves, Elegant Leather Gloves and Handwraps of Kun-Tua, are only available on VK; maybe make them pop on an additional continent.
Imms: Please ignore Melanthe, he/she/it is an idiot. My original post was kinda in jest, I was laughing as I wrote it but I suppose I should have known better. I actually expected (and still do) that the newbie gloves will be dropped to +1 handdam rather than the other handwear being bumped up to +3…but I had to ask (and please dont take it as whining, it wasnt meant that way)
Monk as not been ruined. I did a couple runs with Xander and while I only lost +3, it did not change what I can kill by a whole lot, now I just get hit a little more before they die, sometimes shortened my run, no biggie.
Melanthe, you are a damn whiner, stfu, go away. You are not helping anything with your comments and, as usual, you dont back anything up with facts.
Each of those nerfed items alone was probably fine but when you combine them it was a little ridiculous. I play a monk (prime, not some necro who is a monk wannbe…no offense Ditheca) quite a bit and will continue to do so, still going to be a fun char for me.
I am going to have to research how much dam that thunder proc does, maybe it’s worth running some +3 handdam gloves instead now…
Melanthe if your going to quit do it please, that would involve moving on and stop posting/attacking.
For a Quad Monk to bitch as much as you have, I refuse to begin to understand that. Prime Monks however could use a re-think.
The Imms do a good job keeping this mud fun, balanced, and alive. While it might not always be 100% to your advantage, the decisions are more than likely for a good reason. As a cleric prime i wish i could do half the stuff a quad monk can do still even now. However clerics are what they are and that was my choice to do so.
Play hard, have fun.
Mosaix
Maybe I’ll see if damage reduction is any good… there must be still be some good things about being a monk.[/quote:29ipudac]
We’ll nerf it too. Hugs. :)
RR (Rude and Retarded), you have done nothing but insult me from the start. You are an asshole. So anything you say doesn’t bother me. Btw, aren’t you retired? No, just retarded. Nice of you insulting Slothmud’s Top 20 player of last week, who is always kind and generous to people.
Anyways, this bickering does no good. I will come back and play the game if monks get fixed to be able to splork more than hamsters. Meantime, I’ve found another fun mud to play.
Melanthe
you keep saying you’re leaving, which is arguably the only post from you I’ve seen that made sense. Well? We’re waiting here…
You haven’t seen me log in have you?
So… Germany lost to Italy. That must’ve pissed the locals off huh.
When people really leave, they do it quietly like Orion did.
Monk eq was really too good, but… Maybe it’ll be cool to name the exact caps for prime/sec/tert quad monks and just let people choose what eq they wanna buy like someone proposed, not cutting stats on em? I don’t think monk primes should be too nerfed, it’s a power prime class like thieves, why not? :)
People, calm down and stop calling each other names, it doesn’t really help our monks :D
So they just nerfed an ‘abusive’ ability to Bards, I’m supposed to bitch and whine, right? WAHH!!!! I want the nerf to Wall of Sleep undone!!!
No. Thats not the only thing a bard has. And it was powerful (unbalancing so). That doesn’t make bards automatically suck. Same thing with Monks. Grip was very powerful (almost defined monks). Now its just a useful tool, in their arsenal of abilities.
Even nerfing all 3 “+5 items” to +2, monks have alot more damage available than thieves, and have a better intial roll. And almost the same multiplier. Thieves only get a benifit of poison, and the % damage based on mobs HPs (which, if your looking at splorks, isn’t a huge amount).
The ability isn’t worthless, it just isn’t abusive now. Perhaps it was never intended for you to splork the things you do? Now that you are, they need to nerf it. Just like the way they nerf necros when they took to big of mobs. And long ago, when they nerfed Mages and Charming, when people were killing stuff way to big to solo, etc.
It happens, get over it. Theres PLENTY to keep a player busy, challenged, and happy. Move on (in game, or quit the game), whatever. There are other classes to play, other abilities to use. You don’t have to be super powered to have fun.
heh, as far as imms insulting us and being rude. that’s what makes
sloth so much fun. the fact that you can turn right around and
insult them back and talk trash is awesome!
as for monks, spose it’ll probly be hard to splork 10mil mobs now
with deathtouch. what a pity. my thief prime has pretty maxed out eq
two quest items for damage and still can barely splork a similar sized xp
mob as a monk.
and for a necro prime, one of the most notably overpowered prime
classes to be whining about losing some dmg from his 4th class skills,
that’s pretty damn sad.
peace out hosers.
hey I left when I said I would
I just like to post :)
Yeah, we love you too Aaron :)
I think Melanthe said it best when he said he was on his way to +30 damage. Considering that he’s barely avatar… well, let me do the math this way:
Monks have counterattack, which doesn’t kill an attack to use (like parry) AND hits the mob back for a bunch of damage. Between counter, 2x attacks, and strike (3x damage), that’s about 6 attacks a round. Strike and counter only hit about half the time, so call it 4. +30 damage. That’s 120 additional damage a round. Compare to thieves… The high tard thieves have what? +24-5 damage and 2 attacks? Not to mention that circle forces the use of a smaller weapon… never mind that normal handdam compares with warrior style weapons (I still don’t bother using a weapon).
Compare to warriors… 3x attacks and whatever damage they can squeeze in around AC gear. And it’s a hell of a lot easier to squeeze in the +handdam when you’re getting it +2, +3 or +5 a pop instead of +1.
As far as sucking, I took the hit to the thunder gaunts and my character is still getting 4x brutal attacks a round, countering and striking. Granted, that’s using berserk :P And Splork is still a little mythed that I only use my quest sword to deathblow…
Your definition of underpowered is lacking… You have a cap of 5 mil on Lyme regardless of the day.
Well sorry for the flame. I guess I was just a little upset that I had just gotten enough hand dam to splork a pronghorn or nymph follower, and the very next day that ability was taken away from me (-6hand dam). Had Aura of Pride and Gauntlets of Thunder and bunch of other little pieces. I guess that the game can still be enjoyable, but I sure do need a break. This is a very hard blow to me. I had more interest in my monk than my necro to be honest. I was focusing all on the monk, ask any of my friends. I find necromancer a bit boring to pay and not all that powerful as everyone seems to think. They were definitely overpowered when you could have 3 vilewights at 4 attacks each totalling 12 attacks per round. I agree to this. But now that has been cut in half to 2 vilewights at 3 attacks each. And I am not complaining about necromancer. I was dealign with it. Just this monk blow affects my interest quite a bit atm, cause I did have expectations for 5x40. Planned out my hand dam gear set fully etc. But if it is all for the best, then so be it. I have no idea what the dam cap will be for a quad monk but it takes 20 dam for a monk to splork a pronghorn; btw a mage can kill a pronghorn in one blast I was told.
Anyways, peace out for now. I might return after I have gotten over this and my toothache (had a tooth pulled the day before last).
Melanthe
I always thought that thieves were underhanded and lowdown. They get all the damage on stab and have to pay mvs to circlestab. Monks are peace loving, they dont want to assassinate stuff. They get a multitude of damage from grip,strike, counterattack. Strike does not cost moves and hits pretty damn hard for a “freebie”. Not only that monks get presage which allows someone to miss , be hated and easily slip back in for another try. Umm oh yeh what about damage reduction, I guess thieves get something like that too. Honestly the only person that is allowed to complain here is Nab. I havent heard a bad word come out of Keiths mouth since this happened. Yeh im sure hes not happy about it, but he understood along time ago that these items were way too powerful. Hell when I saw the shield of south ice in the shop I got pretty upset myself. A damage shield…
As far as Melanthe is concerned Ill just say this. Melanthe you were a pain in the ass when you played Auriana. You said a bunch of crap about me and I didnt forget it. If Chi lets you back in our vault im gonna pk both of you.
Mike
Medios, wow.. that sure wasn’t very nice of you to say. Anything I said “bad” about you in the past was in direct response of you insulting me. But I had forgotten about that.. and have forgiven you. What gives you the right to talk to me like this now? I have said nothing but kinds words to you since I returned on Melanthe. This isn’t right. Anyways, I am not going to say anything shitty like you just said to me, cause I have forgiven you in the past as I do now.
Anyways, I just said I was done complaining about this nerf. Peace out etc. Why act like this? This amazes me.
Melanthe
I havent insulted you. If that was an insult you dont know me very well. Im getting pretty tired of the crying. If you have read any of this thread I think you know that everyone is tired of it. I havent changed, you havent changed. Lets move on.
Mike
Well I thought I aplogized, explained why I was upset, and was moving on in the reply prior to your nasty reply about me. And yes, you have said some very cruel things to me in the past. I don’t get upset unless someone has. Anyways, I still haven’t said anything bad about you since I have returned and I am not going to either; only you seem to be holding a grudge. I still like you even though you wanna PK me.
Hugs,
Melanthe
Please, please, PLEASE stop replying. My eyes hurt. :shock:
[quote:w092oa3f]Melanthe you were a pain in the ass when you played Auriana.[/quote:w092oa3f]
Haha ^^ I didn’t realize. That’s funny I remember when Chrissy got pissed
that J had auri in the vault for some good old american panty chat.
Lol..
that explains it all…
Explains what? That you can’t just let this stupid thread die. Give me a break.
I just wanted to say thanks to those of you who took the time to speak with me online and those of you that have supported(although maybe disliked) the last couple of nerfs to Necromancers and Monks. For the most part our playerbase is very helpful and well spoken. Overall, I think the changes have been received better than most. Most likely because the mistakes we made with necromancers and this eq was rather obvious. Hopefully we will do better in the future…
These eq changes will allow us to add new eq to older areas where otherwise we were unable to because of items such as the aura and pride, as well as bring about a little more balance and fun for everyone.
I’d also like to thank Nab and a few of the other more knowledgeable Monks for helping me make an educated decision regarding these recent changes.
The final caps have not been decided on. I am still going over a huge list of handdam eq. Once that is done, I will have a better understanding of the numbers needed so that it will leave room for us to add new stuff.
Enjoy,
Splork
Aren’t these two people who keep bashing each other the same two people who bashed each other in an earlier thread involving beer,crossing state lines and quest/high-end equipment… just sounds sooooo familiar..I mean gosh.. get a room already. :twisted:
ps—ignore if you want.. I just wanted to add a digit to my posts total
RR (Rude and Retarded), you have done nothing but insult me from the start. You are an asshole. So anything you say doesn’t bother me. Btw, aren’t you retired? No, just retarded. Nice of you insulting Slothmud’s Top 20 player of last week, who is always kind and generous to people.
Anyways, this bickering does no good. I will come back and play the game if monks get fixed to be able to splork more than hamsters. Meantime, I’ve found another fun mud to play.
Melanthe[/quote:qno8ja95]
Actually, if you go back and read the last thread you were whining in that I actually bother to post in, you would see that I started by refuting the points you had made. Had you bothered to make any statements that you could back up, I might not have commented. I am still patiently waiting for that 3x40 cleric in a week. 3.12b in a week works out to 18.68m/hr if you play all 168 hours in the week. Better get started. Less time on the crier, more time in your cleric.
Oh, and I could give a rats ass who you think you are (ooo top 20 player oh no, I better not insult you ever again). Just because you obviously have no job and no life so you mud all the time does not automatically make you a good player. In fact, I would submit you as a prime example that any dolt (or, maybe a trained monkey…no offense Kong) with enough free time can top the xp list for the week. By your own admission you play literally 16 hours a day.
You are right, I should worship you, you are obviously a better player than I am since you are above me on the xp list….wtf was I thinking. Please forgive me, I promise that as long as you stop posting anything, I will stop bashing you. I know, could you immort so I can sac to you?
Go take two tylenol, I am sure all this thinking must be giving you a headache.
I rest my case :P
RR (rude and retarded), you insulted me first. If anyone reads that thread now, they can plainly see it. You said “stop asking for STUPID SHIT”. So I rest my case. You are a rude jerk. And I said 2 weeks lving that c/m, so yeah I guess you retarded cause you can’t seem to remember what was said.
Grow up, get a life; you are a loser.
FUUUUCK!!! Enough already! Please, no more …daaamn.
No wonder Splork got so sick of me whining about how badly Warriors (especially old school classo) suck.
Can an immortal please lock this thread? I am getting tired of it also. I already apologized for the flame earlier on and explained why I was upset. If the changes are for the betterment of the mud, so be it (as I said earlier).
Please lock this thread, cause it isn’t doing anyone any good; the name calling. And I am not upset at anyone including RR. Please forgive me for my retaliation.
Melanthe
mystery, stop being a post-whore :lol:
I want Poolp to come play with Melanthe :cry:
RR (rude and retarded), you insulted me first. If anyone reads that thread now, they can plainly see it. You said “stop asking for STUPID SHIT”. So I rest my case. You are a rude jerk. And I said 2 weeks lving that c/m, so yeah I guess you retarded cause you can’t seem to remember what was said.
Grow up, get a life; you are a loser.[/quote:33zild0u]
I fail to see how telling you to stop asking for stupid shit is insulting.
you need to take your own advice. you’re the one whining about changes to your quad class when there’s no way a monk quad should be able to get the same handdam as prime and there’s no way you can possibly argue that those items were not overpowered. oh, and I dont recall making crude comments about your char name. I called you a whiner…you were whining were you not? how is that insulting? truth hurts?
next you’re telling me to get a life. great advice coming form someone who admits to spending 16 hurs a day all week mudding. I’m here 2 hours a day, after my family is asleep, apparently, you’re on all day.
and I’m a loser…well, you might be right on that one but I’m pretty happy with my life so you can think whatever you want.
oh, and you finally got one, I should have checked before posting that it was 1 week but, after working 14 hours, I was being lazy…there, you can add that to your list of insults for me….lazy.
btw, if I’m a rude loser who needs to get a life and you’re the greatest thing since sliced bread, how come no one else is commenting on what I’m saying yet you got some great support when you threatened to quit?
Can an immortal please lock this thread? I am getting tired of it also. I already apologized for the flame earlier on and explained why I was upset. If the changes are for the betterment of the mud, so be it (as I said earlier).
Please lock this thread, cause it isn’t doing anyone any good; the name calling. And I am not upset at anyone including RR. Please forgive me for my retaliation.
Melanthe[/quote:3jtwbdw7]
Ok, I looked at it, read it, laughed at it, what should I see that really matters with the exception of Clink’s post saying we all agree on the changes and you just have to deal with it. So deal with it and move on and have fun.
Oh and flame me if you wish, I don’t care to be honest, I am use to being flamed so lets rock and roll.
Blaster
I think everyone seriously needs a reality check…..the constant accusations that the imms are out to ruin the game is simply ridiculous. Why would they spend countless hours coming up with new things for a game most of them don’t even actively play, only to “ruin the fun” to drive away the players? Do you have any idea how much time they put in for something they don’t get paid for? Hell, I can safely say most of us aren’t even that dedicated to our paying jobs. Sure, it was a big change in terms of numbers, but if you really bother to see how it actually affected game play, you’d realize that it isn’t as drastic as melanthe said it to be. Let’s just put it this way….if the eq WERE +2 handdam to begin with, would you still consider monk a useless class? I agree that the tweaks shouldn’t end here though, as the handdam doesn’t really paint the whole picture of monk-play, but I’ll leave that debate to monks.
Most of us have lived through the various changes made to sloth. I know alot of people left, some for good, when sloth 2 gave way to sloth 3. I know i did. But the changes then WERE drastic, even “revolutionary”. Rent, continents, spellbooks…I thought they were lame back then. Fact is, it’s a fun game, and you can enjoy it if you want to. But to make demands and bitch up a storm to the imms when something is done against your vision of sloth-play, is just plain dumb.
Despite my shady history with driving certain players away from sloth, I have no wish to see anyone quit the game for something trivial. It does the game no good, especially at this point where we are seeing a dwindling base of players. Melanthe, I hope you will continue playing the game, and I will continue to muck around with you when I see you around. But please give some consideration to Splork and gang. From what I know, Rick is never “rude” without reason. And despite what you say, he ALWAYS listens to feedback from the player-base, you just need to discuss instead of start off by attacking him and the imms. Nobody likes that, and if you had to deal with some of the mouthy players sloth has had in its history (me included) you’d understand why he reacts the way he does.
My 2 cents
Hug Gimlet, Hug Blaster, and even Hug RR. I am not gonna fire back, RR. The going in circles, cutting eachother down isn’t a cool thing. And I have already forgiven you and you should do the same.
I want Poolp to come play with Melanthe :cry:[/quote:3irftc78]
Guinex, or better yet, how about I make a pthief and come play with you 16 hours a day? LOL. I am a bit bored now and have lots of free time. Cackle.
But seriously, let’s just stop this abuse. I have NEVER insulted you on Melanthe. I have only been kind to you. I even offered my help for a CR for you a few weeks ago. Just as I did for Krok when she CF’d the group. I agree that I shouldn’t of said the things I said in this thread, but I was just really upset. And have apologized for it many times over already. Splork calling me names in tells for no reason made me retaliate like I did and I am sorry. And I still <3 you too Splork.
Hugs,
Melanthe
hugs mel
i understand your frustration after spending all that time on your character only to see such changes, and you prob just typed whatever out without thinking through how it sounded.
mel’s apologized, let’s all move on and mud
peace
Yeah I was being a bit too bitchy about it. Sorry.
bump! ^^
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what can I say about RR that he hasnt admitted.. hes just plain lazy…
Also, since I normally blame Splork, this time I fault Blaster… if for no reason other than he doesn’t care..
ps–please keep flaming… I r afk for another day and a few hours for that snazzy stat point…it keeps me up to date with ingame gossip
waves
well at least you can be happy that you ran me off Mystery.. I mean.. how can I ever mud again? Everytime I want to log on… I get flashbacks of seeing you raping that poor goat. Sure sure, you blamed Guinex… said he asked you to do it for that new website you guys are working on… But truly I don’t believe you… I just think your sick..
:twisted:
Please don’t make so easy for me to tell you to stfu
Now please, in advice of out good friend Kim Jong II, take your pirate ass and get the fock out :twisted:
hmm. Mystery, your avatar looks like one of those ‘Hallowed are The Ori’ freaks.
Well, yours looks like a damned weasel.
Touche!
I want to get my char pic uploaded, but don’t know how lol.
Generally, mailing it to blaster@slothmud.org or clink@slothmud.org is a good start. A request asking for it to be added is sometimes useful to avoid confusion.
I think she was asking Weasel to get a good pic for her :twisted:
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[img:25wt35il]http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/110909.jpg[/img:25wt35il]
[img:25wt35il]http://ninjapirates.net/macros/attention_whore2.jpg[/img:25wt35il]
13, I guess you need to make some char pics for Volnaib too:
[ Enlightened ] Volnaib splork wipe my chars pls
However, I doubt I would think it was funny.
Granted, Ill be home after 5 if anyone else wishes to be wiped.
Splork
Hugs and kisses all around!
[ Overlord ] Weasel Splork give me 100000 drachma pls
..worth a try :twisted:
[40w 40o 40c 30n] Gimlet Splork please pwipe the mud
=)
Splork slowly saunters up to the main control panel of the mud.
Splork looks down upon the weak mortals and snickers to himself, dumbasses.
Clink shouts, DO IT! from the next room.
Splork throws his head back and cackles with insane glee as he presses the large bright red history eraser button.
POOF! :shock:
damn, I lost 2 handdam…two…and I didn’t have any +5 hand gear….thats a hard cut…and it made a dfference. I can see lowering some of the high end stuff by one point or so, but that shouldn’t have affected those who didn’t have that kind of stuff. 2 points is very noticable in the run…
Shazuko Roku Ryuu
<Chaos>
Its not fun, but there’s a general logic behind it. For instance, the monk prime gloves are +3 now. If you could pop the +3 gloves off the cleric in autumnal, the high end gear isn’t really high end… it’s just highly restricted.
Sorry :(
I’ve found the reduction makes a change in my runs with Xander however, I never really thought it was right that I could run more with X than with Ana…contemplating dumping a few chars and getting down to 5 at most, maybe 4, even had a though of just keeping the lymers…