Druid on SlothMUD

Discussion about some stats while shifted

Sat, 20 Dec 2014 07:11:44 +0000

I’ve been told, there are already were explanations about some of my questions. But i wasnt able to find any.

So if anyone knows about them, i would be pleased for links.

First of all, max dex stat.

I forged finally my rhodo rune and attached it to ars magica.

Was surprised though, that while shifted, it raises max dex stat, but dont gives extra ac.

After speaking with severals imms and players, noone can tell me, if that was done for special, or just missed in development and should be count as a bug.

So i want to discuss, if it should works in forms like as unshifted at all.

And if it dont, then maybe it should be written in some help files. To prevent missunderstanding from all other players, who would like to raise max dex for forms.

Same about other max stats.

I know, that max str works fine, and max int giving some mana also.

No ideas about max con or max wis. It is posible to raise it whle shifted, so interesting question about them also.

Another question is how max stats from avatar shop works for forms?

Do they affect player while shifted? And even, should they affect, if they are not?

Same question for other avatar shop bonuses: damroll, armor, damage reduce, spell damage, resists etc

How they works now?

Mythic forms skill

Thu, 14 Aug 2014 08:16:03 +0000

It seems that skill description isnt updated from s3. What it is doing now?

Allows you to shift into mythic forms? You still need to wear items to be able to shift into some of them?

Problem is there is no mythic forms now, due to “help forms”. And even no tarantula, neither seadragon forms anymore. And forms level are not match. You maybe still need items to shift into 2 left forms, but what mythic form is used for then? Kinda broken or useless skill, untill you can say what exactly it is doing.

Maybe its time to check it and fix help file? Or even redo skill to really do something, since it seems that it dont fit with current system on its own.

TREES!

Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:27:40 +0000

I would like to see a small change made in the Druid class. Let the Tree form have recuperative powers superior to, or at least equal to, those of the default form. Then you would see Trees growing all across the land, I wager. Because they’re so cute.

:idea:

So you want to be a druid.

Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:29:39 +0000

Druid is an interesting prime class to play. At low levels your shift forms are pretty poor fighters and you will find yourself largely a support char, depending on the rest of your class order. Druid prime shifting is superior to non prime shifting and the shield of thorns spell at high levels helps with shifted combat greatly. Druids are able to solo very large mobs by harnessing the power of the vast mana regen. They shift into a combat form and fight until their hit points get low. Then they exit from combat, return to human form to heal themselves up and then shift again. It’s a nice class in that you are able to operate solo through the power of your shifted forms, but you are welcomed into groups because of your good mana regen.

Supplementing druid class:

Cleric isn’t absolutely necessary for druid prime, but it still helps greatly. The cleric spell aegis and supplication pets are very helpful.

Mage is a popular addition to druid as you will want to be able to harness your high mana into blasting in a group.

Warrior is not hugely popular for druid primes, because they depend largely on their shift forms when soloing, and act as supplemental casters in groups. However warrior is still a good addition if you’re interested in balancing out your character to be able to fight melee unshifted for running smaller mobs and coins, etc.

Monk is nice for balancing out a caster prime because it adds toughness and gives an initial attack.

Thief is also not widely chosen by druid primes, but again it helps to balance out the melee capabilities of the character.

Necromancer is a popular choice because of helpful spells like wraithform and spectral shield. In my opinion druid prime isn’t really cut out for using large necropets. If you you’re taking necro to fight with pets, perhaps add warrior or monk to the class order as well. Necros are drawn into combat by their pets.

Bard is a very nice supplement to druid. Bard songs are very useful to a group. Bard is a non caster class and has more hp, better armor, and can protect. Also very important is that Bard can glance into mob inventories.

The New Changes To Druid

Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:04:48 +0000

Judge has been working hard on fixing some of the druid problems it seems. I have both good and bad news to report… Please update this thread as you find stuff…

Mythic forms at least have more hitpoints.

Mythic forms have more damage… +4 on my phoenix.

You can prac when your shifted.

I lost 3 mana regen points standing in the changes. Judge said there was a bug in the old save command that cause points to stack.

I got aggroed as a ferret killing the kalamari. I think this is a bug and it’s being looked at. Another 90m xp lost on bugs.

The biggest change however, is that returning back to human form when I was shifted phoenix, does not return me near full human health. This has always been the case since I made tarantula form and it’s going to be hard for me to get used too.

When I report shifted, it does not report the hp’s of my human form so I am guessing that eudaemons will now heal shifted players.

I’m told a lot of bugs quaffing potions while shifted etc are also fixed.

So all in all, it’s a mixed bag for players so far. A lot of bugs have been fixed that were annoying, but also the ones that made it easier for us.

The new hp’s and dam is awesome, but the having to heal after unshifting is definately going to cut the solo xp run.

Unshift HP Loss

Thu, 15 May 2008 01:03:43 +0000

I’ve talked about this before… but I would like to get to the bottom of what causes it, as I am trying to work out my future path for spending xp tokens.

Lets say I have 691hp.

I shift into say dragon form.

Then I immediately return back.

I now only have 625hp.

What causes this loss? There are two theories…

1, The characters nat con is used to determine the returning hp’s and because mine is 15 I loose hp’s.

2, This theory which I believe was put forward by Medios, the game is programmed to remove a little hp automatically when you unshift.

I need to know which one it is, because if it is infact the first theory, then I will be buying con points as 5x40… otherwise… I would be wasting my time.

The easiest way to check this, is for somebody who is at least lvl 40 druid, with 18 [b:3j7j2mpw]NAT[/b:3j7j2mpw] con, shift dragon, unshift and then report back there hp before and after the shifting… If you could do that, it would be much appreciated.

Sloth Pics

Fri, 09 May 2008 07:57:18 +0000

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Super Shifting... (concept)

Fri, 09 May 2008 01:23:17 +0000

Ok, I’ve got this idea I was going to keep to myself for a while, but thought I’d put it out in the open, because…

I don’t know if my idea actually works… so I need feedback
It gonna take effort to do, and the imms may nerf me AFTER I’ve done it, so nerf me now and get it over with…
It’s not too much advantage anyways… except in a handful of situations

Extra hp’s on top or your base hp max tend to multiply out when you shift. For example my tarantula has 1650hp, but with stamina (+20atm) etc its 1710hp. I calculated you can wear almost 300hp in extra hitpoints gathering items from in the game.

I’m thinking…

REGEN MODE

MAXMANA MODE

MAXHP MODE

cast ‘restoration’ $me

SHIFTMODE

SHAPESHIFT

Obviously for the intial combat round… if the +300hp’s is multiplied out… I could get an intial shift of plus 500-600hp’s?

Idea is semi useful mainly only on those mobs that wipe 400-500 per round, you get one more round in without unshift/reshift problems economics etc. But I accept it’s not terribly useful… although… is a 3khp Piasa Bird on the cards (during futility) possible doing this..? I would like to give it my best shot.

When it’s all said and done… the essential shortage on druid chars… is mana… even if we had 10000hp’s we still have the same bottleneck so, stop ya whining ya pansy tanks. My shifted runs, typically last 2mins, use 1000 mana, and reap a meager 10-25mill xp… so flame on about the overpoweredness! :twisted:

So Theoretically, if the idea works… my form can have an initial 500+ hp’s? Yes? No? Thoughts? Nerfs? Caps? Flames? Sarcastic Remarks? Lol Cats?

Shifting Bugs

Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:34:56 +0000

Shift returning back from ferret, sometimes leaves you with about double the amount of hp’s the ferret had.

Human Form = 500hp

Shift Ferret Form = 25hp

Shift Return Human Form = 50hp

Shift return back from dragon to human form, nearly always looses 50hp’s, if you were full in human form before you shifted.

Human Form = 660hp

Shift Dragon = 1450hp

Shift Return Human Form = 600hp

On a few occasions I have quaffed potions in inv, like mobs do? I’ve checked my scripts for quaff scripts and I have none.

Sometimes mobs suddenly die, IE, in 5-10 rounds shorter than the duration you’d expect. I once killed the pale lantern fish in murkwood in 1 round without using breath weapons. flex

There is a strength bug on occasions, when you shift and unshift, all of a sudden you can’t pick stuff up anymore. You have to rent and re-enter the game.

Mostly Druid Questions...

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:03:53 +0000

Are the Cloud Giant mobs solo for these cps? (shifted black dragon -10)

Silken Thread

Turquoise Heraldric Shield

Treatise on Symbols of Royalty

Black Thread

White Thread

Garunsci Family Pattern

Triple-wicked Pillar Candle

Bone Needle

Are these Pyramid mobs solo for these cps? (shifted black dragon -10)

Small Note Tomb Guardian

Small Cutting Stone Yuan-ti guard

Vial of Black Acid Yuan-ti guard

Sack of Black Dust Yuan-ti elite guard

Very Small Ruby Yuan-ti sentry

Jagged Rock Yuan-ti Warrior

How much + damage is 18/100 strenght?

If I add strength to forms through +str shift eq, how much extra damage do I get per +str point?

What is the +str cap on shift forms?

Can the stat points go over 18 while shifted if stat point eq is worn?

What ac is piasa bird with iron skin?

Does the Garunsci Family Crest attached to a -0.5 item cancel out the +0.5 ac?

Does the avatar light shift?

Does anyone have a thick leather belt for sale?

HP regen while shifted seems increased, what kind of effect do you think buying shapeshifting quest leggings, and then attaching a +20 HP regen clasp to those shift leggings will do for HP regen while shifted? Good things… not such a great idea?

How can I minimise damage to my druid pets other than sanct and stone skin? Is there some kind of protection chain or trick I can use… my pets are dying in the first 2-3 rounds.

What do most druids do with avatar lights? 4mana regen + 25 mana?

Scores when shifted

Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:54:08 +0000

I just recognized this yesterday (with Yinao’s helpful gossip) that if you change your prompt to reflect any additional information you want (including to show if you are outdoors or not) that the prompt will not transfer to your shifted form.

This is a minor thing, but something to be aware of.

For anyone who does not know what I’m referring to, please ‘help prompt’ and while you’re at it, ‘help color’.

Un-shifted Druids

Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:29:04 +0000

Ok, I am not Prime Druid, but I am 2nd and there are a few spells at L20 that I’ve found have been more than helpful. Freshwater and regeneration and fluidity come immediately to mind. Even though I’m new and considerably lower level than many ppl on this mud, are there advantages to un-shifted druids aside from these spells?

I haven’t read much on this board about ‘awaken’, the recently renamed ’natures familiar’ spell. Are those worth using or do ppl rely on charmies or their necro class to get followers? (btw, if anyone has a spare sb for this, let me know).

Given that the Druid class has innate defensive and healing spells along with the ability to have followers, wouldn’t they be just as effective un-shifted? And with the followers, can you still control them in a shifted form?

Thanks,

Widow

Which comes first? The chicken or the egg?

Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:58:43 +0000

Errrâ€¦I mean the necro or the mage. I chose Druid as my prime class, and cleric after that, and want to have necro and mage in my classo, but am not sure which should come first. I heard that the closer to prime the necro is the greater the undead control, but I donâ€™t know a lot about mages. Any advice would help a lot.

Hart (diet Tep)

Rapid Shift, celtic-candle

Wed, 04 Jul 2007 02:35:33 +0000

Anyone remembers exact command to use this candle? I’ve tried everything and it doesnt work :/

Thanx to Shyla we now know howto:

[b:2qxrbe4y]pinch candle[/b:2qxrbe4y]

You vigorously pinch the wick of the candle, which responds in flame.

<661hp 624ma 136mv> +0 [indoors] AC: 3.0

[b:2qxrbe4y]drop candle[/b:2qxrbe4y]

You drop a celtic candle.

<661hp 624ma 136mv> +0 [indoors] AC: 3.0

[b:2qxrbe4y]read goldleaf[/b:2qxrbe4y]

You begin reading the legendary trefoil goldleaf … it has 2 pages.

But before that you need to find a dark room and remove your .

Druid suggestion

Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:06:23 +0000

It sure would be a hell of a big help if druids could shift from form to form. It would make druid prime a lot more playable as a smaller one and not really affect large druids much one way or another. What you think Kj?

Do a search for polymorph!

battle shift?

From form to form, wurm to naga or whatever.

New Tarantula skill

Tue, 26 Dec 2006 00:53:46 +0000

Many thanks to Kjartan for new tarantula form skill.

Must be shifted.

Then type web to see options of alert, summon, or trap. :)

Thanks again KJ!

On a side note… any further suggestions on shapeshifting in general?

Bugz found

Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:17:00 +0000

[img:vxwv17nj]http://yasik.mci.kiev.ua/jmc/SBUG_1.jpg[/img:vxwv17nj]

[img:vxwv17nj]http://yasik.mci.kiev.ua/jmc/SBUG_2.jpg[/img:vxwv17nj]

Thats what it shows me when i shift into something, and @leader is different and looks like random each time, but i never followed these players.

Also, would be kicka nice to have prompt NOT to change when i shift into something, kinda annoying to have a pair of aliases just to set up correct prompt and do that every time i shift.

Favourite / suggested Druid classo

Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:02:15 +0000

Hi all!

I just started playing Sloth and one of my alts is a Druid prime. I choose Monk as secondary thinking i could benefit from the bare handed advantages and skills of Monk even when shifted, then - reading the board - i noticed most of the human form skills/spells are not available when shifted. No biggie… I do hope at least damage reduction and improved attack keep on working in form… I will see :)

In any case I think Monk is a good backup class for a druid, not needing to carry weapons around.

Please feel free to vote in the poll and explain your choice or add your comments!

Druid Animal Forms

Mon, 16 May 2005 01:44:11 +0000

The highest level I’ve reached so far with Druid is level 14, and with a Monk character I’ve reached level 12. The monk seems equal to or stronger than the druid at these two levels, but often in games of this nature the magic characters are much stronger when they hit the higher levels.

When does a druid achieve parity with a fighter type character?
When are the animal forms significantly better for combat than a moderately well equipped druid in human form? Dog seems a bit weaker, frog maybe a little better. Drake looks impressive with three physical attacks plus fire breath, but the physical attacks are on the weak side and fire breath uses up a lot of mana. The most impressive thing about the Drake is that it seems to be hard to hit. He is fun to play when you have a lot of mana.
Do the animal forms’ abilities increase with levels? In other words, do things like the “to hit” values increase? I know the stats like strength and dexterity do not. If they forms don’t improve with levels there is a big gap between level 12 and 16, where the only fighting form you have is the Drake, at least that is what I gather by reading the help file.
Does anyone use the Tree form? If you stand there as a tree, do the mobs eventually leave the scene?
Does anyone find the early forms useful in some way? I tried using the ferret to pick the cage door locks in the Newbatia Downside, but he did not have enough skill. Cat might be useful for exploring I suppose.
Do all the forms use the same amount of mana or do the earlier forms use less? The few times I’ve looked at this it was not obvious to me.

Thanks.

Druid Guild in Niebelung?

Mon, 09 May 2005 04:56:59 +0000

Were is the guild from Settlestone? Thanks.

I don’t recall the directions off hand, but they’re easy to find. The recall point for SS is the well. From the well, go south, west and you’ll be in the cartagrapher’s shop. Buy a map of Settlestone. Go back to the west (east, north) and read the map. Directions to the Druid guild should be on the bottom. Follow the directions and it should take you straight there.

Sack or Backpack for Druids?

Sat, 07 May 2005 04:59:27 +0000

Just started a new character with Druid prime again, the idea of shapeshifting really appeals to me. A couple of questions related to this:

To be able to shapeshift requires that you travel very light, you can carry almost nothing. I was wondering, do the rest of you even bother to use a backpack, or is there a trick to getting more carrying capacity with a druid.
When I do have my possessions down to the level needed to shapeshift, I run into another problem with looting the corpse; it gives me the error that I’m out of room when trying to get the coins. Is this just a problem with the lower level animals like the Cat and Ferret, because they don’t have enough strength? And if so, at what level will it get to be easy to use the animal form for all my fighting, Drake maybe?
By the way, can the Frog actually fight at its level? Seems like a silly animal for level 10, maybe they should have made it a salamander…

A poll!

Sun, 28 Nov 2004 04:58:53 +0000

(nt)

Some clarification

Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:33:03 +0000

I was reading through a lot of the older forum topics last night, and I saw a lot about the nerf’ing of various classes. Since most of what I read was conjecture by players, and at least a month old (and I know there have been a lot of changes to the MUD recently), I was wondering if anyone would mind spelling out the benefits of being a Druid Prime over being, say, Druid Tertiary?

I know primes get Canopied Arbor and Shield of Thorns. (Our tweaked magic-rope and weakened sanc)

I also know that we get a regen bonus for being Prime, but I’m sketchy on exactly what that bonus is. I’ve heard from someone in-game that we get a 25% regen bonus, where non-primes get less. I’ve also read in the forum that we get a flat +30mr, which I believe I read has been nerfed down a bit.

As far as shapeshift is concerned, I’ve heard rumors that Druid Primes get a bonus to shifted hp/ma/mv. I’ve also heard that primes get a bonus to stats, and that we don’t get any bonus to shifted forms at all.

When I started Sloth, I was just coming from an RP enforced MUD, and the reasons I chose Druid as my prime (without knowing much of anything about the MUD) were purely RP driven. I just wanted to play a Druid style character.

Now that I’m beginning to understand a bit more about the mechanics of the game, and I’ve noticed that not many people RP, I’m wondering exactly how much my choice of primary class is hurting me.

Is a Wa/Dr just as powerful of a Druid as a Dr/Wa? If so, does the same kind of relationship exist between other classes, or have Druids been singled out?

Thanks for everyone’s input!

Can shifted forms strike?

Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:27:58 +0000

I noticed that even before I reached Monk lvl 8, I was able to ‘strike’ while in shifted form. I never hit, but I didn’t get the “Maybe you should practice that skill first” message that I get from kick.

Now that I have strike from my Monk levels, I still can’t land a single hit while shifted. It made sense that I couldn’t hit before I learned it naturally, as strike seems dependant on a Monk’s knowledge of the ‘ideal’ place to land a hit.

Along those lines, though, it makes sense that once a Druid has learned the skill from training as a Monk, he’d be able to draw upon that knowledge to land powerful hits while shifted.

What I’d really like is to know if I’m just wasting my time typing strike every round while I’m shifted.

Thanks! :-D

Druids with warrior class in their classo - please read

Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:33:06 +0000

So, does a druid in shifted form benefit from critical hit? If I understood correctly, critical hit is a form of passive skill, yes?

you should register

fluidity

Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:21:07 +0000

Has anyone done any testing for this spell? I did a quick bit and was having trouble getting reasonable results. It dosn’t seem to gain my anything for backstabs or spells. The spells I expected, the backstabs were disappointing. I was also having trouble getting an accurate assessment of what it saved me per hit. Didn’t seem like much. Is it level or classorder dependant?

thanks

-doug

Losing Fly Spell when shapeshifted...

Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:37:30 +0000

Hi… I’ve noticed when the ‘fly spell’ (cast on myself) expires while I am in the shapeshift form of dragon, that fly is removed from my affected spells list. That is, what appeared to be a natural affect of the dragon (fly ability) seems to disappear when the cleric spell fly expires. I have fallen from this before, but fortunately not to an untimely death.

Wonder if this is intended, or if it can be fixed. Not sure if there are similar issues with abilities in other forms, like water breathe in naga.

Anyway, here’s log to demonstrate… notice fly spell in score, then fly wore off, then fly absent from score.

<663hp 514ma 205mv>

You sit down and rest your tired bones.

<663hp 514ma 205mv>

Your breathing suddenly becomes more labored…

<663hp 515ma 205mv>

shift dragon;cont

You stop resting, and stand up.

<663hp 518ma 205mv>

Ok, you’ll try to move silently for a while.

<663hp 518ma 205mv>

You raise your hands to the sky and slowly shift into a huge black dragon (Force).

[100%, +941, -0]

<1604hp 479ma 205mv>

“shadow-demon” CONS as: You would need some luck!

<1604hp 463ma 203mv>

You emote: dragon huge black Force squats down, then starts blowing smoke rings out of his nose.

<1604hp 463ma 203mv>

Force of Nature {Fire&Ice} (level: 40)

Your levels: Dr: 40 Cl: 40 Ne: 40 Ba: 34

[ … redacted for privacy … ]

You are currently in the form of a huge black dragon (Force).

Your current form’s stats are:

Str: 22 / 100, Int: 20, Wis: 18, Dex: 18, Con: 18

You are standing. Beacon:

You are protected by a shield of thorns.

You are affected by the following spells:

Invisibility

Detect Invisible

Sense Life

Infravision

Darksight

Protection from Evil

Fly

Stone Skin

Bless

Regeneration

Strength

Fluidity

Nature’s Revival

Undead Visage

Wall of Flesh

Shapeshift

Shield of Thorns

<1604hp 464ma 202mv>

bfiret;offht

You rear back and breathe a stream of flame at the Shadow Demon!

The Shadow Demon hates your guts!

<1604hp 439ma 202mv>

You massacre the Shadow Demon to small fragments with your claw.

You massacre the Shadow Demon to small fragments with your bite.

You massacre the Shadow Demon to small fragments with your whip.

The Shadow Demon Massacres You to small fragments with its rake.

The Shadow Demon impales itself on thorns round your body!

The Shadow Demon Massacres You to small fragments with its rake.

You are Brutally Massacred by the Shadow Demon’s claw.

[90%, -154, -154]

<1450hp 442ma 202mv>

A wraith slowly fades into existence.

A wraith massacres the Shadow Demon to small fragments with its pound.

A young treant pounds the Shadow Demon hard.

<1450hp 442ma 202mv>

bfiret

You’re hit in solar plexus, wow, this is breathtaking!!

[90%, -3, -157]

<1447hp 425ma 200mv>

You claw the Shadow Demon extremely hard.

You massacre the Shadow Demon to small fragments with your claw.

You massacre the Shadow Demon to small fragments with your bite.

You massacre the Shadow Demon to small fragments with your whip.

A wraith massacres the Shadow Demon to small fragments with its pound.

The Shadow Demon Massacres You to small fragments with its rake.

The Shadow Demon Viciously Massacres a young treant with its rake.

The Shadow Demon Brutally Massacres a young treant with its rake.

The Shadow Demon Massacres You to small fragments with its rake.

The Shadow Demon Viciously Massacres a young treant with its claw.

A young treant is stunned, but will probably regain consciousness again.

You’re hit in solar plexus, wow, this is breathtaking!!

[85%, -69, -226]

<1378hp 425ma 200mv>

#10 SECONDS TO TICK!!!